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Ioan Gruffudd/Alice Evans

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Notatallanamechange · 28/01/2023 00:46

Don’t know if anyone has followed this, but she had an arrest warrant issued today for failing to appear in court for breaching a restraining order he has for domestic abuse. Their poor children seem like an afterthought.

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HateandLove · 01/02/2023 17:38

I think the point is to demonstrate a willingness to put the childrens'
welfare before your own and that is generally agreed to include contact
with both parents.

And what would a reciprocal arrangement look like up to now...

Alice dissapearing for a year, going on holidays, claiming it's for work and phoning her children up now and again.

Ioan could stay at home and facillitate these calls, I'm sure he wouldn't be angry at her or think she was being a negligent parent.

You'd probably have Ioan swearing and someone else in the backgroud.
Alice could then record him and accuse him of abuse, not provocative at all.

hothands · 01/02/2023 17:38

In these IG has requested that 50/50 custody starts immediately pending the full hearing in July.

Fingers crossed he's cleared his calendar and doesn't have to jet off to the other side of the world this time 🤞

hothands · 01/02/2023 17:43

There's strong evidence she's emotionally abusing those kids , Big E is petrified of upsetting her. He should go for full custody while the girls get therapy then later maybe split if Alice gets help. Those kids are being emotionally abused , 50 percent won't help as Alice won't facilitate contact without trying to interfere and alienate. If he doesn't go for full custody I will lose my sympathy as it's saying he cares more about the travelling and girlfriend than his kids welfare

I agree but according to some of the posters on the thread, leaving the children for 50% of the time with someone IG claims to have abused him and his children 'shows a willingness to put the children's needs before his own' Confused

Sunshinegirl82 · 01/02/2023 18:02

I'd imagine that IG is doing what his lawyers advise, not what a load of us randoms who don't really know the detail (or the law in California) think he should do.

The Kelly Rutherford case is an interesting one on how these things can go, although this one doesn't have the international element.

Stroganoffo · 01/02/2023 18:05

hothands · 01/02/2023 17:43

There's strong evidence she's emotionally abusing those kids , Big E is petrified of upsetting her. He should go for full custody while the girls get therapy then later maybe split if Alice gets help. Those kids are being emotionally abused , 50 percent won't help as Alice won't facilitate contact without trying to interfere and alienate. If he doesn't go for full custody I will lose my sympathy as it's saying he cares more about the travelling and girlfriend than his kids welfare

I agree but according to some of the posters on the thread, leaving the children for 50% of the time with someone IG claims to have abused him and his children 'shows a willingness to put the children's needs before his own' Confused

They are getting ready to defend it when he doesn't ask for full custody . Those girls are being called names , she's substance abusing. He has the evidence to file for an emergency order. This is crunch time really new life with girlfriend travelling or looking after two traumatised daughters. I hope he's a good man and chooses the latter they need him right now !!!

Sunshinegirl82 · 01/02/2023 18:17

Here's a comment on the Kelly Rutherford case:

One yardstick explains why Rutherford lost her children: a parent’s impeding, or even wanting to impede, or even appearing to impede, the other parent’s access to their children. As Bernard Clair, a prominent Manhattan divorce attorney who has had numerous famous clients, explains it, having read Beaudet’s decision, “If you have a situation where, from the micro level—a refusal to put the dad’s name on the birth certificate—to the macro level—‘Let’s get him the hell out of the country!’—you find that one parent isn’t facilitating the children seeing the other, then that parent is dead in the water.”

hothands · 01/02/2023 18:22

“If you have a situation where, from the micro levela refusal to put the dad’s name on the birth certificateto the macro level‘Let’s get him the hell out of the country!’you find that one parent isn’t facilitating the children seeing the other, then that parent is dead in the water.”

No idea who Kelly Rutherford is, but the last line...isn't that what Alice is doing? She's the one not facilitating Ioan's time with the kids, therefore he has grounds for full custody, no? If he isn't even applying for full custody, he's not going to get awarded it. He isn't starting from a point where he has the kids all the time anyway, so he has no need to facilitate Alice's time with the kids at the moment.

Sunshinegirl82 · 01/02/2023 18:32

I don't know enough about the position to be definitive, but it seems to me that applying for 100% custody of children who are currently resident with the other parent could be perceived as attempting to restrict access to that parent.

There are also significant challenges to the relationship IG has with the children due to the restricted access/ potential PA so 100% custody may not be practically possible in the current circumstances.

The upcoming custody hearing this month and the hearing in July will no doubt she'd more light.

Sindonym · 01/02/2023 19:06

LemonTT · 01/02/2023 16:08

In the UK social services would almost certainly be involved with this family. They would be recommending that the children reside with the non abusive parent if there is one. But I can’t see them being taken into care as long as they are in school, get fed and have medical care.

We don’t have a concept of custody. There is parental responsibility and she isn’t anywhere near a threshold to have this removed.

A abused father in the UK would have a similarly torturous route to becoming the resident parent.

I suspect social services would close the case. Probably nowhere near the threshold for ongoing involvement.

I’m always a bit wary of the narrative around Alice. I’m the parent of a kid with SN and the absolute bollocks I have heard spouted about me in the past….. It’s very easy to paint a picture of a loopy mother. Especially when you have an expensive lawyer. I personally don’t drink a lot around kids, never have (see kid with SN, had no option to) but I know plenty of people who do - and they’re not seen as abusive.

hothands · 01/02/2023 19:11

don't know enough about the position to be definitive, but it seems to me that applying for 100% custody of children who are currently resident with the other parent could be perceived as attempting to restrict access to that parent

I highly doubt that. If he has evidence that Alice is an unfit parent (i.e mental health issues, substance abuse issues, emotional abuse issues) and the children are living in an unsafe environment, I'm almost certain he can go for full custody. Plus full custody doesn't always mean no contact. Alice could still be allowed to see the kids for short periods of time, it's just that they would live with Ioan and he would the one making all the major decisions for them.

It's just that he doesn't want them full time.

Vivi0 · 01/02/2023 19:36

IG is not making these choices in a vacuum, he is making them with the benefit of experienced lawyers who know the full facts of the case, the law and the system.

Ioan’s lawyers will absolutely be advising him, but we have no idea whether or not he is taking that advice. Ultimately, if he does not want to pursue 100% custody, his lawyers are not going to force him to.

Realistically, how would 100% custody work?

He needs to consider how having the girls full time will impact Bianca. They live together, he cannot force her into a high stress situation with two young girls who are incredibly hostile to her, when she has a medical condition which is significantly exacerbated by periods of high stress.

I suspect social services would close the case. Probably nowhere near the threshold for ongoing involvement.

I agree.

The only solution to situations like this is the other parent pursuing a legal remedy.

Sunshinegirl82 · 01/02/2023 19:37

hothands · 01/02/2023 19:11

don't know enough about the position to be definitive, but it seems to me that applying for 100% custody of children who are currently resident with the other parent could be perceived as attempting to restrict access to that parent

I highly doubt that. If he has evidence that Alice is an unfit parent (i.e mental health issues, substance abuse issues, emotional abuse issues) and the children are living in an unsafe environment, I'm almost certain he can go for full custody. Plus full custody doesn't always mean no contact. Alice could still be allowed to see the kids for short periods of time, it's just that they would live with Ioan and he would the one making all the major decisions for them.

It's just that he doesn't want them full time.

That's a possibility, but until we know the final outcome of the custody hearings we won't know what the position is in any detail. Everything outside of the findings of the court is just assumption really.

BeBetter · 01/02/2023 20:09

HateandLove · 01/02/2023 10:15

I think Alice is a very unwell woman, who has been treated badly and is lashing out in anger due to her pain.

Do you not see a woman driven to despair, someone who has lost control and therefor has mental helath issues going on. Alice's pain is palpable, I can't see anyone wanting to be in her situation if they are honest, the fact that it is all so public aswell takes it to another level.

I honestly think the only way she will calm down is if Ioan accepts his fault and admits that he did wrong, that he hurt her and has continued to provoke, re write history, gaslight and admit to his part in a smear campaign after she was right in finding him to be adulterous.

He won't though because he now is concentrating on financially abusing her.

For everyone who thinks Alice is a narcissist, I just don't see it, I see a woman who has been driven to insanity and ill mental health. The level of hate this woman has recieved on line from people is astonishing, coupled with the hate of her ex and his partner, and her inlaws I can't believe she's actually still standing.

There seems to be little compassion for Alice.

Wow, just wow … what have you been smoking?!

BeBetter · 01/02/2023 20:29

HateandLove · 01/02/2023 17:27

If Ioan applies for full custodyand gets it, Alice would then be able to go on holidays around the globe with a male friend.

That would be nice, she could post instagram pictures.
And claim poverty.

God, what is your problem?!

MichelleScarn · 01/02/2023 20:35

HateandLove · 01/02/2023 17:13

The more Alice continues to behave as she does, the more she’s making
herself look worse, the more she’s digging her own grave, and the more
she’s putting him in the position to be able to go for full custody.

Maybe that's what she wants, maybe she needs the break.
I mean what would happen if she breaks the restraining order again, could she end up in prison, then the kids would have to go to him.

Can you imagine the press would go crazy.

Why would the press 'go crazy' over someone who isn't really actually that famous going to prison?

Stroganoffo · 01/02/2023 20:48

Vivi0 · 01/02/2023 19:36

IG is not making these choices in a vacuum, he is making them with the benefit of experienced lawyers who know the full facts of the case, the law and the system.

Ioan’s lawyers will absolutely be advising him, but we have no idea whether or not he is taking that advice. Ultimately, if he does not want to pursue 100% custody, his lawyers are not going to force him to.

Realistically, how would 100% custody work?

He needs to consider how having the girls full time will impact Bianca. They live together, he cannot force her into a high stress situation with two young girls who are incredibly hostile to her, when she has a medical condition which is significantly exacerbated by periods of high stress.

I suspect social services would close the case. Probably nowhere near the threshold for ongoing involvement.

I agree.

The only solution to situations like this is the other parent pursuing a legal remedy.

He needs to put his kids first over a girlfriend it's that simple. His kids are being abused..

whumpthereitis · 01/02/2023 20:53

hothands · 01/02/2023 17:43

There's strong evidence she's emotionally abusing those kids , Big E is petrified of upsetting her. He should go for full custody while the girls get therapy then later maybe split if Alice gets help. Those kids are being emotionally abused , 50 percent won't help as Alice won't facilitate contact without trying to interfere and alienate. If he doesn't go for full custody I will lose my sympathy as it's saying he cares more about the travelling and girlfriend than his kids welfare

I agree but according to some of the posters on the thread, leaving the children for 50% of the time with someone IG claims to have abused him and his children 'shows a willingness to put the children's needs before his own' Confused

i imagine he’s taking advice and acting on what is more likely to work in his favor with the legal system he is navigating, which is an infinitely better strategy than playing to the peanut gallery who only want to see high drama and emotional reactions for the purpose of entertainment.

as an onlooker it does appear that he’s keeping his mouth shut and letting it all go through the courts. Generally that’s the best course of action, and what is usually advised on mumsnet when posters ask for advice in divorce cases, ironically enough.

whumpthereitis · 01/02/2023 20:55

BeBetter · 01/02/2023 20:29

God, what is your problem?!

It‘s probably Alice tbh, considering she has form.

Vivi0 · 01/02/2023 21:19

Stroganoffo · 01/02/2023 20:48

He needs to put his kids first over a girlfriend it's that simple. His kids are being abused..

Oh, I agree.

He’s put himself in a position where his girlfriend has moved halfway across the world to be with him and has been living with him for over a year. Hence, what I think is his reluctance to go for 100% custody.

It was never a great idea to move so quickly with Bianca whilst his children are living with an abusive mother and his relationship with them is so precarious.

It’s a really messy situation.

Vivi0 · 01/02/2023 21:20

whumpthereitis · 01/02/2023 20:55

It‘s probably Alice tbh, considering she has form.

Surely not.

HateandLove · 01/02/2023 21:42

It‘s probably Alice tbh, considering she has form.

You wish !

No I'm just one of those rare breeds that feels empathy for someone who is hearbroken along with her kids.

And yes children can have their hearts broken, thats the problem with fathers that leave a family so abruptly and move on with someone. Hoping that the ones left behind don't kick up too much fuss, congratulate them and wish them well, it rarely works that way.

We see Alice unhappy, the children look unhappy yet Ioan and Biannca look very happy.

Not only that she is being absolutely villified on social media.
She's clearly down but there are so many who wish to stick the boot in further, it's not pleasant and will contribute to her ill health.

Anyways my views are different to yours, that's life.

Rainbowsandbutterflies1990 · 01/02/2023 21:52

HateandLove · 01/02/2023 21:42

It‘s probably Alice tbh, considering she has form.

You wish !

No I'm just one of those rare breeds that feels empathy for someone who is hearbroken along with her kids.

And yes children can have their hearts broken, thats the problem with fathers that leave a family so abruptly and move on with someone. Hoping that the ones left behind don't kick up too much fuss, congratulate them and wish them well, it rarely works that way.

We see Alice unhappy, the children look unhappy yet Ioan and Biannca look very happy.

Not only that she is being absolutely villified on social media.
She's clearly down but there are so many who wish to stick the boot in further, it's not pleasant and will contribute to her ill health.

Anyways my views are different to yours, that's life.

To be fair I think ur views are different to everyone on here that has commented! Ur basically accused abuse victims of the cause of their own abuse.
A person who has a right to leave a
marriage for any reason. And just because they leave they do not automatically abandon their children. And shock horror they have right move on with someone else.
I'm guessing u have been left by ur husband to a younger woman and understandable devastated and doing quite a bit of projection.

Vivi0 · 01/02/2023 21:54

You wish !

Ha! There is indeed a group of women who would wish for nothing more than to be arguing with Alice online.

Whether you are or you aren’t, it wouldn’t be an Alice Evans thread without someone being accused of being Alice.

ArtVandalay · 01/02/2023 21:57

I hope Ioan is happy. It must be a huge relief to have someone like Bianca (who seems lovely).

If Alice is unhappy, it’s her own doing and she’s totally responsible for making her poor children miserable. Marriages break down. If she’d been a mature adult about it and put her kids first, she’d be moving on and not in the complete mess she has created.

whumpthereitis · 01/02/2023 22:30

HateandLove · 01/02/2023 21:42

It‘s probably Alice tbh, considering she has form.

You wish !

No I'm just one of those rare breeds that feels empathy for someone who is hearbroken along with her kids.

And yes children can have their hearts broken, thats the problem with fathers that leave a family so abruptly and move on with someone. Hoping that the ones left behind don't kick up too much fuss, congratulate them and wish them well, it rarely works that way.

We see Alice unhappy, the children look unhappy yet Ioan and Biannca look very happy.

Not only that she is being absolutely villified on social media.
She's clearly down but there are so many who wish to stick the boot in further, it's not pleasant and will contribute to her ill health.

Anyways my views are different to yours, that's life.

Okay Alice. I suppose you needed an outlet after IMDB closed the message boards and you got outed on Reddit.

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