Page 3 | Ioan Gruffudd/Alice Evans

Notatallanamechange · 2023-01-28T00:46:22+00:00

Don’t know if anyone has followed this, but she had an arrest warrant issued today for failing to appear in court for breaching a restraining order he has for domestic abuse. Their poor children seem like an afterthought.

Habber · 28/01/2023 09:48

Rosiefifi · 28/01/2023 09:47

Tattlers incoming, It wasn't a great settlement offer though. He tried to screw her so he can then start fresh with a new girlfriend
Yes she's lazy and needs to get a job but she's 54 so the chances are of a woman securing a high paid job at that age after years out of the work force is low.

Basically she's gone scorched earth which is awful she would rather he had no money and income now which will make it harder for him to start anew. I don't believe Ioan is a saint even if tattlers do both of them are selfish cunts.

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I have seen this via Twitter tbh. Tattle is one sided as it’s all one version of events. Twitter is much more illuminating!!

Harrysfrostbittentodger · 28/01/2023 09:48

Court Docs for Domestic Violence Restraining Order for anyone who wants to read the transcript. Declaration begins on page 14, evidence begins on page 29.

Rosiefifi · 28/01/2023 09:50

alloalloallo · 28/01/2023 09:48

he has tried to screw her out of a fair divorce settlement. If he would have offered a fair amount it might have never escalated to this.

From what I’ve read, he did make her a great offer at the beginning which she refused, he wanted to go through collaborative divorce proceedings. She’s the one who refused to agree to it, failed to file documents in time and failed to turn up to hearings.

She’s refused to cooperate, refused to get a job or contribute in any way, insisted on sending their older child to a very expensive private school and spends all her time drunken tweeting and harassing his employers to the point he can’t get work. He announced a film with his partner, but there’s no suggestion he’s paying for it personally.

She’s behaved appallingly and stitched herself up good and proper in the process.

It was not a fair divorce settlement in UK law maybe California. He should have just paid out over the odds to get her to go away. Then he could have carried on working and started new with the new girlfriend. Alice is going for revenge so both of them end up with nothing.

StarsSand · 28/01/2023 09:52

Harrysfrostbittentodger · 28/01/2023 09:27

If you read the court transcript for the domestic violence restraining order you will see what a nasty piece of work Alice is (she was relentlessly harassing Ioan, endlessly posting horrible things about Ioan and Bianca on social media, sent harassing emails to Ioan’s mother, wilfully prevented Ioan from seeing the children, physically threatened him, tried to blackmail him, sent harassing emails to his employers/future employers in an effort to prevent him getting work and purposely tried to damage his relationship with his children). He had proof for all of this and clearly the judge thought that it was serious enough to grant him a restraining order.

Regardless of whether you think he had an affair (I personally don’t) or is flaunting her (again I don’t think he is) he 100% not deserving of this treatment and he has my full sympathy. He has more than hinted that she was emotionally and verbally abusive towards him during the relationship (and again she has admitted to posting videos/photos of him on social media without his consent because she thinks it’s funny and because she can) and it’s hard not to believe that considering the abuse he has received since he left her.

I went on a similar rabbit hole and there were some arsey text messages between Ioan and their daughter. The daughter was saying she wanted to go to a theme park and he was saying no because his girlfriend has MS and he has to be careful. That's fair enough but he gets shitty with her and puts it on her to suggest something to do and then no plans go ahead.

He really doesn't handle it well. He could have said 'we can't go to the theme park right now but I am so looking forward to seeing you, how about X Y or Z activity?' And suggested safe activities that fit his criteria for safety rather than put the pressure on a tween in the middle of an ugly divorce to solve the problem.

He sends her other texts saying he will only talk to her in therapy because she's being rude. That's a bizarre way to parent.

If he was more mature and empathetic to his daughter he'd be holding space for the fact that she's angry and confused and just letting her be a bit shitty rather than punish her and push her away for it. Just poor parenting.

Not saying Alice is any better, I just think they are both selfish and lacking.

He knew who she was when he married her, when he went through IVF to make her someone's mother. I don't think you get to act surprised in midlife and blame her for being who she's always been.

Also 10% in a divorce settlement for a long term relationship and the mother of your two children is unconscionable.

Sindonym · 28/01/2023 09:54

He’s a cliche (shame because I liked him in Forever). Alice shared a text he sent to the eldest daughter (probably against her restraining order - she does herself no favours) and it was awful, really awful.

I wish she could have held it together to get revenge by showing him what he was missing. Yes she’s a bit full on but I think I’d (personally) find her much easier to be friends with than BW. Maybe that’s because Alice is the same generation as me (& him, like I said cliche). I think she is a warm person, just shambolic & damaged & I wonder how much he has played her. He certainly has access to better lawyers.

God knows where all the money has gone. They have had to pull the eldest daughter from the expensive school haven’t they?

I just feel it is all terribly sad tbh.

Sindonym · 28/01/2023 09:56

Those texts were awful Stars - and given he hadn’t seen the daughter in so long I think he could have left girlfriend alone for the day (daughter didn’t even want to see her).

Habber · 28/01/2023 09:56

StarsSand · 28/01/2023 09:52

I went on a similar rabbit hole and there were some arsey text messages between Ioan and their daughter. The daughter was saying she wanted to go to a theme park and he was saying no because his girlfriend has MS and he has to be careful. That's fair enough but he gets shitty with her and puts it on her to suggest something to do and then no plans go ahead.

He really doesn't handle it well. He could have said 'we can't go to the theme park right now but I am so looking forward to seeing you, how about X Y or Z activity?' And suggested safe activities that fit his criteria for safety rather than put the pressure on a tween in the middle of an ugly divorce to solve the problem.

He sends her other texts saying he will only talk to her in therapy because she's being rude. That's a bizarre way to parent.

If he was more mature and empathetic to his daughter he'd be holding space for the fact that she's angry and confused and just letting her be a bit shitty rather than punish her and push her away for it. Just poor parenting.

Not saying Alice is any better, I just think they are both selfish and lacking.

He knew who she was when he married her, when he went through IVF to make her someone's mother. I don't think you get to act surprised in midlife and blame her for being who she's always been.

Also 10% in a divorce settlement for a long term relationship and the mother of your two children is unconscionable.

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This was out of context I think - the older kid had stolen hundreds of dollars from his Amazon account and also hacked into his social media so I think what you saw was an exasperated dad talking to a kid who needs therapy and boundaries

TheFireflies · 28/01/2023 09:56

The only people I feel sorry for are the children. They will be emotionally damaged for life.

Rosiefifi · 28/01/2023 09:59

Yes I've read them, I've read every single thing and followed the AE threads. Alice is a nasty piece of work but IG is selfish. The texts he sent to his teen DD were off.

IG refused to go to a theme park because Bianca's health issues ok. He could have worked around it in the teens mind Bianca will already be at fault for the divorce. He's just pushing them further away and making them believe it's all about bianca. He could have suggested something else. Alice is a selfish narcissist who chooses revenge so they both up penniless but I will never believe Ioan is completely blameless and a saint.
He was shrewd enough to ensure he had an unfair prenup set up.

Sindonym · 28/01/2023 10:00

Rosiefifi · 28/01/2023 09:59

Yes I've read them, I've read every single thing and followed the AE threads. Alice is a nasty piece of work but IG is selfish. The texts he sent to his teen DD were off.

IG refused to go to a theme park because Bianca's health issues ok. He could have worked around it in the teens mind Bianca will already be at fault for the divorce. He's just pushing them further away and making them believe it's all about bianca. He could have suggested something else. Alice is a selfish narcissist who chooses revenge so they both up penniless but I will never believe Ioan is completely blameless and a saint.
He was shrewd enough to ensure he had an unfair prenup set up.

Or he could have put his daughter first & gone without Bianca.

Somebatshitteryonhere · 28/01/2023 10:03

Rosiefifi · 28/01/2023 09:59

Yes I've read them, I've read every single thing and followed the AE threads. Alice is a nasty piece of work but IG is selfish. The texts he sent to his teen DD were off.

IG refused to go to a theme park because Bianca's health issues ok. He could have worked around it in the teens mind Bianca will already be at fault for the divorce. He's just pushing them further away and making them believe it's all about bianca. He could have suggested something else. Alice is a selfish narcissist who chooses revenge so they both up penniless but I will never believe Ioan is completely blameless and a saint.
He was shrewd enough to ensure he had an unfair prenup set up.

Again this was reported by Alice. But I don’t think any child is entitled to a theme park when ever they wish to go. Bianca was having an episode, and he wanted to do something else. I’m not sure I completely agree if his kids suddenly decided them park he should take them. I certainly don’t do that. I’d be in a theme park every week if I did.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 28/01/2023 10:05

PinkPupZ · 28/01/2023 02:28

They've both made a mess of this. IG flaunting BW around so soon didn't help. Men can go off and desert their families and, if the women has a devastated/emotional response, they are simply framed as bitter or not putting the kids first. How about it can be a normal reaction to the shitstorm of betrayal? How about spouses (almost always men) didn't sleep around or stuck to the marriage vows ans put their kids first?

Yeah. He gets so much sympathy (and I agree poor Alice seems a bit unhinged) but it seems to me if he really, really cared about his kids he would be devoting himself 100 percent to their welfare, not wallowing in his love life.

Instead of living with and doing pap walks with bianca he could rentca modest room in a house in his kids' neighbourhood and be on hand for them. Walk them to and from school, go to library to do homework daily, etc.

StarsSand · 28/01/2023 10:05

@Habber not condoning it but that is the kind of lashing out and poor behaviour that a hurt and confused teen/tween does. Agree she needed therapy and boundaries but increasing the distance between him and his child is the wrong approach. He should he parenting more in that situation, not less. Giving her a sense of stability back by showing he loves her unconditionally. Pushing her away is just awful when she was probably acting out because she felt abandoned.

musingsinmidlife · 28/01/2023 10:06

There are quite a few posters on this board who always support the woman, no matter what. They will defend and excuse horrible behaviour if it is a woman doing it and feel the man must have deserved it. Unfortunately that belief is pretty prevalent on here.

alloalloallo · 28/01/2023 10:06

Habber · 28/01/2023 09:56

This was out of context I think - the older kid had stolen hundreds of dollars from his Amazon account and also hacked into his social media so I think what you saw was an exasperated dad talking to a kid who needs therapy and boundaries

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Yes, from what I remember, those messages were sent after the older daughter had threatened to call social services, stolen hundreds of dollars from him and hacked his Instagram account and posted a load of homophobic messages.

He wanted her to attend therapy and work on their relationship.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Ioan is a saint, and he’s handled this badly as well, but I absolutely do not believe everything Alice says - the court documents are pretty damning of her, and despite her constant assertions that she had evidence in her defence. she’s never filed anything with the court, she’s never posted it anywhere.

And my rabbit hole was Twitter mostly, it’s clear from her own Twitter account she can’t keep a story straight.

Habber · 28/01/2023 10:06

If this was a thread on AIBU:

my 12yo daughter won’t speak to me or see me and refuses to visit. I text her every day saying I love her and I’m not sure when she does text me back if it’s my daughter or my ex wife. my ex has told her my new partner wants to kill her, so my daughter is very upset about me having a new partner. Recently my daughter stole $400 from me ordering things on Amazon and also hacked into my Instagram, posting that I am abusing my kids. My daughter then text me asking to go to a theme park whilst my partner was undergoing immunotherapy for a serious illness. WWYD?

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 28/01/2023 10:06

Floofyduffypuddy · 28/01/2023 07:36

@PinkPupZ

Totally agree and it seems around womenswear menapasual age they get dumped.

Agreed.

WouldJudasLeaveIt · 28/01/2023 10:06

I feel terribly sorry for the children. Alice would rather hit the self destruct button than ensure her children are ok. She's emotionally abusive.

StarsSand · 28/01/2023 10:10

@Somebatshitteryonhere

Not saying he needed to give in to going to the theme park but he could have said

We can't do that right now but-m

'Let's bring a picnic to X park'
'Let's go swimming at Y pool'
'Let's hike to Z, let's get our nails done, let's do a painting class'

Etc etc etc

She asked for theme park.
He said no.
He dropped the ball but just saying no and not suggesting an alternative.

He's the adult here. He had the agency and choice in the situation, she's just a kid who chose none of this and hates it. He needed to guide the conversation, solve the problem and keep his eye on the bigger picture which is making his daughters feel safe and loved in their new family set up.

Instead he got short with her for wanting to go to a theme park.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 28/01/2023 10:10

Rosiefifi · 28/01/2023 08:55

I think she's unhinged, but I get annoyed when people brand him a saint. The latest is he has no money at all and has been unable to work he's living off his girlfriend. The mortgage is in arrears. Over the years he's had probably millions which he could have used to pay it off.

The prenuptial agreement was also very unfair 10 percent of his earnings and 100k or something. Part of the bitterness is because of the prenup so she's behaving more bitterly. He never changed it when they had kids, he's also very calculating. He also chose to get a new partner and splash it on SM. Then fund make a vanity project movie with her when he supposedly has no money.

I absolutely don't support her what she is putting her children through its awful but he's not a saint either.

Very much agree.

They've both trashed their careers through this. How either will earn a living going forward is beyond me.

TightFistedWozerk · 28/01/2023 10:12

DarceyG · 28/01/2023 09:09

She still would be beautiful if she got rid of the bloated overweight look. His new women gets right on my nerves I couldn’t bear 10 minutes listening to that overly sweet voice full of fake positivity. How can you be positive when you’re in a complete mess of a situation. Deluded or what

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Alice Evans should get rid of the bloated overweight look? And you don't like the new woman's voice?

I don't know these people, have no opinion of them, but critiquing appearance and voice is pretty low.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 28/01/2023 10:13

Harrysfrostbittentodger · 28/01/2023 09:27

If you read the court transcript for the domestic violence restraining order you will see what a nasty piece of work Alice is (she was relentlessly harassing Ioan, endlessly posting horrible things about Ioan and Bianca on social media, sent harassing emails to Ioan’s mother, wilfully prevented Ioan from seeing the children, physically threatened him, tried to blackmail him, sent harassing emails to his employers/future employers in an effort to prevent him getting work and purposely tried to damage his relationship with his children). He had proof for all of this and clearly the judge thought that it was serious enough to grant him a restraining order.

Regardless of whether you think he had an affair (I personally don’t) or is flaunting her (again I don’t think he is) he 100% not deserving of this treatment and he has my full sympathy. He has more than hinted that she was emotionally and verbally abusive towards him during the relationship (and again she has admitted to posting videos/photos of him on social media without his consent because she thinks it’s funny and because she can) and it’s hard not to believe that considering the abuse he has received since he left her.

But he picked her as the mother of his children. He should have ridden (separated if need be but still in daily presence for his daughters) that out till they were adults rather than distance himself and take up with a young woman.

StarsSand · 28/01/2023 10:15

Habber · 28/01/2023 10:06

If this was a thread on AIBU:

my 12yo daughter won’t speak to me or see me and refuses to visit. I text her every day saying I love her and I’m not sure when she does text me back if it’s my daughter or my ex wife. my ex has told her my new partner wants to kill her, so my daughter is very upset about me having a new partner. Recently my daughter stole $400 from me ordering things on Amazon and also hacked into my Instagram, posting that I am abusing my kids. My daughter then text me asking to go to a theme park whilst my partner was undergoing immunotherapy for a serious illness. WWYD?

Hello OP,

My advice is to spend as much time with your daughter face to face as possible and invest in your relationship and trust with her at all costs. It sounds like her home situation is incredibly complicated and confusing for her, so be consistent, loving and always show up for her. Instead of a theme park, suggest another activity that relates to her interests. Leave your new girlfriend at home for this one, the focus should be rebuilding the trust between you and your DD before bringing in anyone new. Also if you can afford it, ask if she will attend therapy with you. She sounds like she needs a lot of support. It's normal for children to lash out when they are hurting, so hold space for that and trust that with the right support and unconditional love, she'll come through it.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 28/01/2023 10:18

Sindonym · 28/01/2023 09:56

Those texts were awful Stars - and given he hadn’t seen the daughter in so long I think he could have left girlfriend alone for the day (daughter didn’t even want to see her).

Exactly. Why couldn't he take his children out without his girlfriend whom they don't even know?!

AnneLovesGilbert · 28/01/2023 10:18

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 28/01/2023 10:13

But he picked her as the mother of his children. He should have ridden (separated if need be but still in daily presence for his daughters) that out till they were adults rather than distance himself and take up with a young woman.

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Do you say to the same to women in abusive relationships? You married him, had kids with him, suck it up love it’s your miserable bed and now you have to lie in it?