Pretty sure Paris Hilton wasn't pregnant ?

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Another celeb surrogacy I'm presuming !

At least she is biologically and genetically related to her child
Genetics won't make a whit of difference when the surrogate's pelvic floor gets wrecked

Paris new husband also has a 10 year old daughter that he has met once, and has nothing to do with since.
I wonder if the surrogate mother knew what a dogshit dad she was handing her child over to.

As she probably needed the money I doubt she could afford to give it much thought

There is also data that a woman exchanges genetic material with her baby through the umbilical cord. So the baby will retain dna from the surrogate.

A womb is not a sealed box.

A new born knows no other woman other than the woman who gave birth. Her voice, her smell. We don’t seperate puppies over at birth. Why is it acceptable for new born humans?

Going against the grain here. What if someone wants to do this for the money? Just because you think it's bad, why should they not have the right to do what they want with their bodies. Some of these posts talk about poor people, well some people are very poor and this may be life changing for them. For you it might be exploitation, but for them it might be a door to opportunity

These points are very valid.
My sister offered to be a surrogate for me when I was in the height of my infertility struggles. I couldn't do it. Not just because of the risk to my sister and her body but also because I knew they would have this bond that I didn't have with my baby, the fact that my sister had carried my baby, it is something irreplaceable and it felt very very personal to me.

I do see this side of things aswell, what if that person is happy to do it ? We go on about rights etc, does this not count ? I'm not talking about people who feel they have no choice but people who genuinely want to do it.

The comments on a newspaper article about this states that the Dad already has a child that he doesn't have a relationship with or financially support.

It makes me so sad to think of a baby ripped from it's birth mother then passed to a rich woman's nanny to be raised as "Mommy" can't possibly do so herself and is too busy partying/having surgery.

Yes this is all I wanted to say. In all honesty I don't know how I feel myalef about surrogacy, but I say this from my own position of privilege. It's easy for privileged people to look down their noses at others 'for their own good' (and I think from a place of genuine concern), but it's not actually fair to place your values on someone else much less fortunate than you

Very judgemtal thread. If surrogacy is so bad then campaign to human rights commission. Posting on this thread won't change anything.

Why is surrogacy illegal in the UK?

Why is selling a body part like a kidney illegal. Surely it’s my right. I could get a life changing amount of money?

Any guesses?

She mentioned something on Meghan's Archetypes podcast.
Along with Kim K who also used surrogates for later pregnancies, they all use the same fertility doctor.

Totally agree with the comparison to puppies - we know that it's wrong to separate puppies from their mothers, everyone accepts this as fact. Why on earth is it contentious to point out the same is true for a human baby?!

I also agree that a newborn baby doesn't care who's dna they share - all they know is their mother.

To be honest surrogacy isn't an easy option and is rarely anyones first choice if they are able to carry a baby themselves. It's incredibly difficult on an emotional and psychological level, causes all sorts of barriers when it comes to breastfeeding and bonding and the ongoing practicalities and legalities are complex and stressful in themselves.

Even in a fantasy world/impossible scenario where every single surrogate mother is not doing it for money, is not being pressured, and is totally ecstatic to be a surrogate - I still believe it is damaging to the baby and amounts to buying a baby as a commodity.

Donor eggs is slightly different in that the physical toll on the mother is considerably less. I'm not saying it's right but the baby will not be taken from its mother at birth. It's actually upsetting to think as a society we condone the trauma that would inflict on a newborn.

This argument is frequently used - that the surrogate should be able to choose whether to be a surrogate, and that they may want to do it to make a better life for themselves. I personally think about whether this is a free choice that they are making...i.e. do they have other options available to them that could get them that money? If no - it's not really a free choice. They are not choosing this option over that option to get themselves out of poverty, therefore they are being exploited.

You can also think of it from the view of a wealthy women who doesn't need the money. Would they choose to do it? Mostly no, because it is risky. Some do, for altruistic reasons, perhaps for a family member of friend, but not for money. There is a reason why commercial surrogacy is banned in the UK.

OK, so how does that work for adoption then??

Babies aren’t a commodity to be bought and sold if you’re rich.

she’s exploited another woman’s body for her own benefit.

Im absolutely sick of women being taken advantage of in this way.

Pregnancy is dangerous and can leave women with long lasting health issues afterwards

I find it odd that folks here seem to think it's okay to police what another woman does with her body, whether it's to be a surrogate, or seek one out. Not very feminist that's for sure.

Because in the case of adoption there’s no other choice!

babies aren’t taken away from mother’s for no good reason and put up for adoption.

How dense can you be?

You can’t sell your organs.

Vulnerable women cannot “consent” to this - they have no idea of the impact on their body.

I myself have long lasting health problems as a result of pregnancy and birth. No one can consent to this

And also with adoption, it's rarely tiny newborns these days that are taken from their mothers. And when a baby or child of any age for that matter is separated from their mother, it is traumatic! No matter how necessary it may be for them to be removed from the mother, it is still traumatic. That's why adoption is best done out of necessity, not just because someone wants someone else's baby.

No she rented a womb

Yawn, same old argument.
Unless you completely approve of everything every woman ever does you are anti feminist
It is NOT ok to sell humans, however old they are