Pretty sure Paris Hilton wasn't pregnant ?

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Another celeb surrogacy I'm presuming !

Hey, at least it's not "gestational carrier".

We know she commissioned another woman’s womb so it’s fair to criticise her for that

So desperation is an aspiration to aspire to?

Because it's disgusting. Because I know the impact on children who were separated from their mothers as infants. Because I know how screwed up women have been from losing their kids. Because I don't agree with the sale of babies.

So many of the pro surrogacy arguments are the same as pro prostitution ones. Womans choice, well compensated etc. The main difference is another human is involved.

Commercial surrogacy (i.e. paying for a woman to have your baby) is illegal in the UK and EU. A few countries allow altruistic (paying expenses) such as the UK.

@Whichwhatnow well that's your opinion isn't it but ultimately it's not your business.

Are women not allowed to criticise other women? I will criticise her as much as I want thanks.

Why single one woman out though? Just bash everyone who uses a surrogate if that's your view.

Stick around, you will see that we do.
Men as well

A baby isn't a human right. I say that as someone who has had a lot of fertility issues and heartbreak.

I remember a photo of one of the Westlife members with his husband, they were wheeling a baby down a corridor in a hospital cot. The photo was them announcing the birth of their baby. I felt so sad looking at it. It was so stark seeing the baby being what looked like wheeled away from its mother after its birth. It most certainly wasn't about the baby.

Surrogacy is not about the baby, it's wrong.

How do you know there isn’t a medical need? She’s already have several failed rounds of IVF. She’s 41, lots of women struggle at 41 with their fertility.

That's fair enough. I just don't like the singling our of one person to bash. Bash the idea of surrogacy sure. I'm not sure how I feel about it myself and arguments against the whole concept have more sway with me than comments about individuals not being arsed.

@yousmellnice I haven't singled Paris out, I also said off the top of my head I can think of other celebrities who have chosen to use a surrogate. You seem to have taken offense to me saying it seems like they cba, well I'm sorry, but that is my opinion on it !

The baby can't consent.

That doesn't make it a medical need that justifies commoditising women and babies.

^ This
Surrogacy is dreadful. People are buying babies

We also discuss it when the celeb is a man like Nick Jonas, Alec Baldwin, Bryan Dowling and that awful man from Westlife to make a few. All surrogacy is disgusting.

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I had a baby at 41. It’s not uncommon. She did use a surrogate though as she doesn’t seem to be pretending otherwise.

Wanting a baby and not being able to have one is not a medical need.
just to be clear.

lots of women of every age both struggle with infertility and also have successful pregnancies to term.

if you actually believe all women who use a surrogate can’t have their own child then that’s misguided.
furthermore the massive number of gay male couples acquiring a baby this way is growing too.

Whatever way you cut it this isn’t about need it’s always about want.

people need kidney transplants, open heart surgery, dental extractions etc. they don’t need a baby. The level of self absorption required to say you need a baby is extraordinary and beyond entitled. Stands to reason that attitude doesn’t require much shifting to the buying a baby if I can’t get what I want myself stance.

This. Completely agree

Sorry but, if I could afford it I would use a surrogate too. I hated pregnancy and it fucked me up hung my two both physically and mentally.

If someone is willing to do it and you compensate them well, what's the problem?

If someone is willing to do it and you compensate them well, what's the problem?

What does 'compensate well' mean though? Women can die/be permanently disabled by pregnancy and childbirth. How do you compensate for that?

You are really narrow minded. The UK and the USA do not have a moral authority, or indeed are a reference point. Yes, women in the UK can be surrogates, but just because it's legal, it doesn't make it right, and the argument that it is immoral and as such should be illegal is the basis of law in many European countries, where surrogacy is in fact illegal. In the same way as you cannot sell a toddler.

How much would you have compensated if your surrogate experienced permanent injuries or health problems during pregnancy and labour?