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Has a man dressed as a woman ever come into a communal changing room with you or joined a specifically female group you belong to ?

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Rilkescat · 22/01/2023 13:54

How common is it ? Not really referring to stories in the media but for everyday women on MN. FWIW I've never met a trans person that I know of, neither professionally or socially. I'm a HCP so meet alot of members of the public. None of my kids have friends that are trans nor do my friends have children that are either.
Loads of trans threads at the moment. No problem with that but just wondered if it really is that prevalent ?
Before I get flamed I'm not in favour of biological womens' safe spaces being open to biological men but equally I don't think that all trans people, especially trans women are necessarily sexually deviant or mentally ill.

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ancientgran · 25/01/2023 09:41

Buttalapasta · 25/01/2023 09:33

Yours isn't a solution though. Lots of places including schools simply do not have the space or funds to adapt changing rooms. So again, while waiting for this mythical solution, should communal changing rooms stay single sex? If not, why are you prioritizing males over females?

I'm prioritising privacy and dignity for everyone. Schools can and do change, when I was a kid my school didn't have inside toilets or anywhere for children to wash their hands. People wanted better and the money was found. Just saying it can't happen is defeatist.

I actually know a school where they do have cubicles for changing, it is the town's leisure centre out of school hours and the money was found.

Buttalapasta · 25/01/2023 09:44

Ok I'll ask again: in the meantime do you agree they should say single-sex? It's a simple question and very telling that you don't want to answer it.

whereaw · 25/01/2023 09:45

@ancientgran but it's not just changing rooms, it's rape crisis centres, women's prisons, mother support groups, safe houses for women and children, hospital wards and in a state of undress, it's the dark dingy public toilets a vulnerable young woman might find herself in, do you not understand?

Helleofabore · 25/01/2023 09:52

ancientgran · 25/01/2023 09:11

My local leisure centre has cubicles, council facility. People choose to go to the private gyms which are more expensive and have communal changing areas. That's their choice.

Is one woman's feelings important? You insisting that single sex communal changing rooms are good enough is not going to make me feel comfortable, your solution means you feel OK, my solution means everyone can feel OK.

And schools?

Besides. Did you read my post?

I was clear that cubicles should be provided for those who want them. Your framing it as “You insisting that single sex communal changing rooms are good enough is not going to make me feel comfortable, your solution means you feel OK, my solution means everyone can feel OK.

It seems disingenuous, or just plain dishonest, to suggest I was proposing a solution that would harm you.

However, it is you pushing for all communal changing rooms to be abolished. I have advocated that a choice be provided where it is needed due to space.

Seems that you push for a polarised solution to avoid the issue that a group of males are not excluded from spaces they demand access to.

SirChenjins · 25/01/2023 12:07

You seem very intent on avoiding the question @ancientgran.

Let's try again - in the absence of cubicles, should communal changing rooms remain single sex. Yes or no?

RinklyRomaine · 25/01/2023 13:43

Actually, @ancientgran, I absolutely don't want individual cubicles which are accessible to either sex. Too many weirdos (men of course) planting hidden cameras.

However. Are you able to answer a simple question? Should women and girls be able to access single sex spaces where cubicles are not available? Or are you saying because simply single sex is not private enough for you personally, they should not?

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