Apologies another dog thread

[Babsexxx]

When in the actual fuck is this going to end?! Absolutely heartbreaking!! What is possessing people to either A. Get dogs they cannot contain?!! B. Get dog breeds totally beyond there control/capacity!

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All dog owners should have to take out third party liability insurance. The microchip system hasn't done anything to control bad owners, they just don't bother to register the chip.

That's a massive problem in the area. The area is commuter belt and on good train link to London, zone 6, so loads and loads and loads of people got dogs in lockdown and now take them to local dog walkers, as they either didn't think it through and haven't really got the time or energy for the dog or are back in the office.

Seriously, I think everyone we know in the araa, and we have lived here over a decade, has or got at least one dog over the last couple of years. Many are lovely and under control and well looked after but so many are not. And dog walking has now become the local cottage industry. I know scores of women now who would previously have been looking for jobs at the local schools to fit in with school pickups etc are now setting up as dog walkers or doggy day care in their back garden. Some know what they are doing of course but I see lots being dragged down the road by sometimes 7 or 8 dogs on leads! Often right next to schools or still with them when they're picking their kids up. There are very frequent posts on FB about peoples dogs escaping and being lost by the dog walker. One is currently still missing, an escaped dog got hit by a car on the ypass and killed a few weeks ago.

What is needed? Dog licences? More breeds on the dangerous dogs list and genetic testing to identify them?

A lady has been killed in a horrific way that is becoming far too common!!! Whatever do you mean my behaviour is horrible?!! READ my op NO fucking speculation though is there?!!! As people can’t control there dogs it’s CLEAR factsssss!!!

This is so sad. As a dog lover and owner I would only ever keep a dog that didn't present a threat to anyone. What really upsets me is how we'll get to the finer details in days to come and (I'm speculating btw). Neighbours will come out and say they were all scared something like this would happen. Others usually close to the poor victim defend the dog and claim they were the most placid, loving dogs ever. 😢

It’s awful! Yeah I’ve heard all about Rover! That app that allows pretty much anyone in the world to be a dog sitter/walker!!! Ludicrous!!!! Such a shame to be in a lovely area seemingly run by out of control owners and dogs!!! What a shame!!!

I'd clean your keyboard if I were you. Your capslock and your exclamation mark keys appear to be too sticky.

And you don't get to police people speech. We can discuss or speculate a out whatever we like, inuding out of control dogs. As I said, I make a point of it as I think the issue needs to be discussed so that eventually something is done about humans regularly being killed by certain types of dog. The fact that it has now happened on my doorstep makes me want to talk about it even more! My kids go to school nearby or are getting off the train as the stop down the road. Hundreds of kids are. Plus people out walking with buggies or just walking their own dogs. It could have been any of these people or animals that were attacked and killed. That poor woman.

No, the police get to police it, and the police have said "please don't speculate".

This is down the road from me. I don't think these dogs were from the same home as several local people saying their dogs were one of the ones missing before the police rounded them up.

Very sad turn of events.

I adore my dog she is a lovely well matured dog however she is a working cocker spaniel and she strives to hunt she was literally breed for it!! It’s too much of a risk letting her off out of the dog park because If she caught a cat or any small furry id feel dreadful so to ease my mind and do the right thing I only ever let her off lead in the dog park!!!!

What people need to remember here is yes any dog can be dangerous but certain traits are breed into certain breeds!! Including fighting breeds protection breeds guarding dogs!! It’s all very relevant overall but people don’t like to admit that!

It’s just absolutely awful it doesn’t bare thinking about!! 😞

And you're not Tandridge police so you don't get to police me or my opinions I'm afraid.

And if you think the entire residertial area of Cateriham isn't talking about this shocking event, you're deluded. DH has just come back from the local pub and everyone is discussing and speculating, Including dog owners and dog lovers and people with their dogs with them in the pub. Also local councillors there talking about it. Thoughts are with the family and friends of the victim I'm afraid, not the 'dont speculate' brigade.

I am from Germany and in the area where I am from you need special permission by your local police if you want to keep a so called "dangerous breed". You need to explain your motives why you want to have that kind of dog. You also need to register at the police station and your dog needs to be muzzled at all times. In order to get rid of the muzzle your dog needs to pass a special exam, in which it is checked if it has heightened aggression. I believe the owners also have to pay a higher rate of dog tax than owners of other breeds.

I hope the UK government also implements stricter rules in regards to dangerous breeds.

THISSSSS!!!!!!

Um, microchipping was never about controlling bad owners. How would that even work?

I saw a dog chasing sheep at kenley aerodrome/common once. It was awful. The owners were pathetically calling its name as it chased the sheep.

I lived in Switzerland for a few years; there your dog needs to be registered, have a license, and undergo obligatory training. You also pay a dog tax. This is regardless of breed.

While I've met some naughty dogs (and owners) in Switzerland too, I guess it does make (potential) owners think a bit more about the cost and responsibility involved - there are just more hoops to jump through. Obligatory training means all dogs have at least a basic grasp of commands, recall, and socialisation. And it cuts out the segment who use pets4homes like amazon; just scroll on the site, pick up a puppy the next day, and then realise they've made a mistake a few days later.

While annoying, extra admin does to some extent separate serious dog owners from people participating in the lockdown craze. I have a few of my own and would certainly have no problem doing this.

Ah so you don't want to see many pastoral/working dogs anymore?

English Mastiff, Rottweiler, Doberman's, German shepherds, Belgian Malinois, Giant Schnauzer, Boxer.

So people can only own a terrier or a spaniel?

I owned a show cocker before the mastiff, he was a "worse" dog in that he had selective hearing, a touch of resource guarding in his latter years, he often pulled or lurches when he "found a scent" and wasn't keen on having his ears cleaned or his paws shaved, he'd growl.

Mastiff however very docile, very gentle, no guarding of anything, recall exceptional, and will let you groom, clean, touch whatever is needed. The vets don't even sedate him for heart scans, he just lays there, like a dopey lump.

It's not breeds that are the issue 90% of the time, it's the owners. I completely accept that some breeds are banned and for good reason, fighting dogs for example.

But a breed with a guarding instinct in the breed standard, shouldn't be banned/excluded. People should just research the dog they are getting, and understand that some breeds require more work and training than others due to the breed standard.

Or any sort of sighthound.. so no whippets, lurchers or greyhounds.... many that are trained to chase small furries.

I was just trying to think how I could politely suggest that the OP reined in the exclamation marks. It’s really irritating once you notice it.

There’s not really any information about what happened so yabu.

I dislike the lurcher breed. They are trained to kill. I wouldn’t call for them to be banned but I think we need new legislation based on accountability.

There needs to be stricter laws around dog ownership. I was bitten badly by a German Shepherd in the street when I was 18. I never grew up with dogs and am very nervous now as a mature woman. I cannot walk alone on the local beach as so many dogs are running around off lead. Unfortunately many of my neighbours and friends think it’s strange I don’t like dogs generally. I freeze when I see a large dog running towards me and I’ve had them jump on me which has been terrifying. People need to realise this is not appropriate and some people are scared. I wish there were segregated areas for dogs and those in public places were on leads. There have been too many catastrophic incidents involving children and adults now although I do appreciate some of these have been inside houses too.

Lurchers are a “Type” (Mongrels / crossbreeds like so many cavapoos , Boradors, or other daft named crosses)
The addition of Bull breeds to sighthounds are what make them more capable of damaging prey.
Some men like to see their bull cross Lurchers go for what they call “ Teeth” ( Foxes/ Badgers)
There is a trend for “ Bull” breeds being used to make Lurchers in past few years.
It’s illegal, but the breeders / hunters don’t give a toss.
I too would like to see really strong control of out of control or dangerous dogs.

Edit: Illegal to go after foxes / Badgers &c with dogs.