Apologies another dog thread

[Babsexxx]

When in the actual fuck is this going to end?! Absolutely heartbreaking!! What is possessing people to either A. Get dogs they cannot contain?!! B. Get dog breeds totally beyond there control/capacity!

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-woman-20s-killed-horror-28942502?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=mirror_main&fbclid=IwAR0QT61C9BluDRapdjz5AB6ry4dkoKI7Io-WFFe1A055Lrfv4P4XoWCylj8

I think we all knew no "dangerous" breeds were involved by the lack of mention of any breed in the beginning. As the owner of a breed that people regularly tell me is banned (it's not and is never featured as a breed that is commonly blamed for these types of incidents) I hope this makes all of the posters here who have their head up their arses realise that it's nothing to do with breed. Yes a bigger dog does more damage but people don't seem to tar horses with the same brush. Stand behind any of them and they'll teach you a lesson!

This thread is infuriating to read and looks like someone is handing over £1mil.

@KendrickLamaze Bet yet, all the posts have started about the dangerous demon bull breeds. Some posters must be disappointed that sausages dogs were involved.

What happened to the dog walker was horrific, beyond horrific.

@Quincythequince its sensible to put dogs away when strange children are around unless you as dog owner are directly supervising.

My dad had a guide dog and would never allow me to leave the children alone in a room with her despite her being impeccably trained and docile. Because she was a dog and the consequences of a dog attack are terrible.

@userxx yes, absolutely horrific and I believe fully preventable. Such a shame and I really do hope legislation is made to stop it happening again.

Petition for all dogs to be kept on leads in public. let’s keep our parks and beaches safe

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/621613

@Mansbestfriend2023 signed and shared! Too many people believe that dogs "need" to be off lead and my dog is regularly confronted and attacked but I hope this gets a lot of signatures.

I've had to kick a lot of dogs away to protect him and the owners have either not given a shit or told me off rather than accept they are wrong. My dog could savage them in a moment but doesn't because he is controlled and trained... seemingly to his detriment.

Eh? So in defending your breed (and I do agree with that part, it’s the individual dog not the breed) you make a ridiculous, ill-informed comment suggesting standing behind all horses will get you kicked! Pot calling the kettle there 🤣

@KendrickLamaze Thankyou. It would be so nice to feel safe with my children in parks and beaches without the threat of dog attacks

@TilerSwift hmm you could take it that way and I'm not informed on horses! I just meant based on the size argument and that any horse will kick regardless of breed.

I'll take it back if I need to.

Well there's been another attack, yesterday with an American Bulldog woman seriously harmed outside a Tesco Metro

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11637853/Woman-rushed-hospital-mauled-American-bulldog-outside-Tesco-man-arrested.html

Bull breed again.

Not all horses kick, not all dogs are dangerous. A horse that is known to kick should wear a red ribbon on its tail. Usually to warn other riders. I recently saw three french bulldogs chase a horse on the beach. The horse was frightened and bolted. The rider fell off but was unhurt. The owners of the dogs walked off, eventually dogs followed. Did they put them on a lead, did they hell. Arseholes. Did the horse kick, luckily for the dogs no. It would most likely have killed them if it had.

Absolutely preventable, makes it even more tragic.

I read something tonight from a respected dog behaviourist. "You should only walk the number of dogs you can safely manage in an emergency". He went on to say that in his experience that is generally two. Totally agree. There definitely needs to be an overhaul of laws around the owning, breeding and walking of dogs.

The reporting states there were 8 dogs. One Leo, 2 dachshunds, possibly a cocker poo and a collie. That leaves 4 of unknown type, could literally be anything. Yet today the Leo has almost 100% of the blame. A witness reported seeing her being attacked by 4 medium sized dogs. Now, anyone who’s seen a Leo knows they could never ever be described as a medium sized dog. Seeing a dog that weighs 80kg attacking someone is no something that could be mistaken for anything else. You can’t confuse it with the collie that’s for sure…

I agree.

I think the press is focusing on the Leonberger because we know its name, it's owner's name, and it's been on TV.

Some of the others we know only the breed.

Some we know absolutely nothing about.

Just watched a bit of the leonberger video. Couldn’t bear to watch the ridiculous owner any longer. Did she receive any help to train her puppy properly in the end?

Was the Leo on Dogs Behaving Badly... if the owners followed that idiots advice and wasn't remotely prepared for a slow maturing (they're not mature adults til nearly three years old) giant breed I can see why that might cause issues.

The self proclaimed experts are out in force I see... one who claims to have trained over 25000 dogs... but would have had to start doing that from birth, without a break, to have acheived anywhere near that number... another claiming to be the UK's Dog Whisperer (none of the people in the industry that I know have heard of him of course, and I work with some of the top people/organisations)..

We have no idea which dog or dogs started anything, we have no idea which dogs bit anyone, we have no idea at this point of anything barring a couple of breeds/types involved.

There are many ways that someone with multiple dogs, on lead, could end up dead, humans are fragile creatures, a blow to the head, a mistaken bite to a major blood vessel (yes, dogs can bite by mistake, aiming for another dog) could all happen very easily.

I hope the real experts (Kendal Shepherd, Jim Crosby etc) are asked, rather than the blow-hard 'self qualified' loud mouths.. but history suggests not sadly.

If anything what I hope comes out if this is that everyone who owns any breed of dog understands the importance of the responsibility they have currently sat in their house

Not in the current climate of entitlement. Not just dogs but everything: parking on pavements, letting off fireworks at 3am, having garden TVs and cinemas, mowing lawns at 5am. I want it so I am doing it and everyone else can suffer.

Yup..

Also 'I know what I'm doing, I'm not the idiot, I'm going to strap a shock collar on my dog and teach it protection work because then I'll be talk of the estate with my attack trained XL Cane Corso x AmBull, so it won't happen to ME...'

Those who do not know how much they do not know, assume they DO know all they need to know...

Yes, I agree.
I don’t put my dog away as my children are all large teens (one adult teen and two older teens) and can handle him the way I can. a The dog is never left unsupervised with a non-family member, and would never be left unsupervised around young children.

The point of of that comment was to highlight the requirement for this, in
terms of this fallacious ‘total reliability’ notion for specific breeds.

Clearly not totally reliable, and no dog is.

Couldn’t agree more. The dog walkers near me cause lots of problems. Lots!

Wouldn’t say that. My dog walker walks 6 including her two German shepherds and she has amazing control over the pack!

Until she doesn't. Not remotely supporting the anti-dog sentiment here as I am a lifelong dog owner. But six dogs is too many to control effectively. It isn't about "normal circumstances" or 99.9% of the time. And it isn't about how experienced or skilled someone is. There is always the potential for the unexpected, and when that happens no human can control six dogs. I do think there ought to be a limit on the number of dogs, especially dogs from different households, that can be walked together. And I think dog walking should be regulated - compulsory registration, insurance, standards and training. It is actually harder to set up a dog groomer than it is as a dog walker, and groomers deal with one dog in a private place! Too many "dog walkers" are being paid under the table and have no expeience or skills at all.

But to be fair I also think that there should be limits on how many dogs any person can walk at one time. If you can afford to own several dogs, then you should have the time to look after them properly.

Thanks @Quveas that was the point I considered making. However, someone who is convinced of a person's superiority when it comes to handling multiple dogs is never going to relent. The comment I originally quoted was made by an ex police dog handler who is now a consultant specialising in dog behaviour rather than some pound shop Caesar Milan. It made sense to me immediately.

BBC reporting a 4 year old killed in Milton Keynes by a dog. Another one! No details yet.

Very sad. Individual dog licences would be useless so I think the only way would be to licence breeders and strictly regulate breeding but unfortunately even then we don't have the resources to police it.

I also hold the very unpopular opinion that all dogs held by rescues that are considered unsafe for families should be put down. Having worked in a shelter, I stopped supporting them when I realised that most of the dogs in there would never come out - they were destined to a very restricted life in captivity. We should also ban the import of rescue dogs - we have too many dogs in this country already.