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Apologies another dog thread

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Babsexxx · 12/01/2023 22:16

When in the actual fuck is this going to end?! Absolutely heartbreaking!! What is possessing people to either A. Get dogs they cannot contain?!! B. Get dog breeds totally beyond there control/capacity!

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Ricco12 · 14/01/2023 08:34

@Quincythequince ...google it Confused..

But I do agree with you no dog should be trusted with kids. Even though my dog is a gentle soul he is not left with my kids and if the boys have friends over he is also put away. But surely that's just responsible dog ownership. If someone reads totally reliable in the breed standard , I would hope they still have the common sense to realise caution always needs to be taken when kids and dogs interact. Children aren't always good at reading dogs body language, although it should be taught to kids. Even my 6 year old knows the basics, licking lips, turning head away, avoiding eye contact. He knows this means to leave a dog well alone, as the dog isn't comfortable.

Quincythequince · 14/01/2023 08:37

www.thekennelclub.org.uk/search/breeds-a-to-z/breeds/toy/cavalier-king-charles-spaniel/

Where does it say total reliability?

Quincythequince · 14/01/2023 08:37

Ricco12 · 14/01/2023 08:34

@Quincythequince ...google it Confused..

But I do agree with you no dog should be trusted with kids. Even though my dog is a gentle soul he is not left with my kids and if the boys have friends over he is also put away. But surely that's just responsible dog ownership. If someone reads totally reliable in the breed standard , I would hope they still have the common sense to realise caution always needs to be taken when kids and dogs interact. Children aren't always good at reading dogs body language, although it should be taught to kids. Even my 6 year old knows the basics, licking lips, turning head away, avoiding eye contact. He knows this means to leave a dog well alone, as the dog isn't comfortable.

I have!

No dog, no breed is ever totally reliable!

Ever!

Honestly, stop.

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Quincythequince · 14/01/2023 08:39

I don’t put my dog away when we have guests. Why should you need to do that?

Your posts get curiouser and curiouser tbh

Remagirl · 14/01/2023 08:46

There are lots of studies now that argue against what is considered the myth of the domestic dog being a pack animal. www.lecaacademy.com/amp/the-myth-of-pack-training-for-dogs

Ricco12 · 14/01/2023 08:47

Quincythequince · 14/01/2023 08:39

I don’t put my dog away when we have guests. Why should you need to do that?

Your posts get curiouser and curiouser tbh

He is put away when other people's children are around because I do not know if those kids know how to interact with a dog. If you
Allow a dog to interact with strange kids then you are a disaster waiting to happen.

picklemewalnuts · 14/01/2023 08:48

"Because what you’re then saying is that all owners need to be able to physically handle their dogs, strength wise and that’s a different argument entirely and sillly rationalise the demise of a huge percentage of large powerful breeds, and even some mid size dogs too.

Of course there is always the issue of bitches in heat and salivating male suitors too. which no man or woman can ever truly control."

Yes. That is what I'm saying. Unless there are restrictions on who is allowed to own them, people should not have dogs they aren't strong enough to manage, in an emergency.
So licensed working dogs would still be kept, experienced handlers of bigger animals would be fine- if qualified and licensed.

I would not be able to go out and get a strong dog. Nor would most of the people I know who have bigger dogs.

I'd know when I see a dog out and about that the owners can control it.

It's sad, but irresponsible dog owners are making it necessary. 3 GSDs in a 3 bed semi, rarely walked, attacked a local woman in my area. They went for her dog, then penned her against a fence. She wasn't injured, but they were totally out of control. They were then put down by the owner, but it wasn't the first incident with them. They have another GSD now, which they still can't control.

DunjeeOn · 14/01/2023 08:49

Ricco12 · 14/01/2023 07:52

I have owned many breeds dogs, my current choice of dog due to have to set age children is a Staffordshire bull terrier, one of only 2 breeds with totally reliability with kids. That said a Staffordshire bull terrier is not a dog suitable for 1st time dog owners, no bull breed as if you get it wrong the potential could be Catastrophic. The problem is people don't get a breed suited to lifestyle. My Stafford is also a caniX dog , although they are excellent with kids they need a lot of stimulation and a job to do as they are a intelligent dog. I train him daily, and have done since 8 weeks old. His training will never stop. His recall is excellent but like others he is rarely let off lead near people because dogs need to be kept under control. But he doesn't need off the lead as his needs are met, yesterday he went to canine pool for swimming in morning, followed by a 7 mile trail run attached to me as canicrossing. Today we are going for a 3 hour hike in hills. Sunday is a rest day but he will do brain training in the house.

When he is home he is calm and sleeps mostly. If I couldn't provide this level of stimulation I would of considered a different breed, perhaps a greyhound or dog bred for the lap.

People need to get suitable dogs for life style and quite frankly if they work all day and all the dog gets is a dog walker once a day and no further training when owners get home then they shouldn't have a dog.

Dogs take time and effort, training needs reinforced every single day. If you can't provide it , a cat is a better choice of pet,

I believe we need to move to all dogs on leads in public because unfortunately way to many have no control

Even though I was in middle of no where on my 7 mile run yesterday my dog was run at by two separate dogs that the owners had no recall. First one a large GSD dog , then a lady with a spaniel, both dogs totally ignored owners and ran at my dog. I shout stop and put my hand out and sit and it works with almost all dogs. I don't want my male dog jumped over, nor does he want it. He isn't interested in dogs all his go as is always 100% on me.

This is a daily occurrence for me with off lead dogs and annoys me.

“Staffordshire bull terrier, one of only 2 breeds with totally reliability with kids.”

And this right here … is why we have such a problem with dog attacks.

No dog is totally reliable - NO dog. They are animals.

And I say this as a dog lover.

Quincythequince · 14/01/2023 09:05

Ricco12 · 14/01/2023 08:47

He is put away when other people's children are around because I do not know if those kids know how to interact with a dog. If you
Allow a dog to interact with strange kids then you are a disaster waiting to happen.

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I have older very large teen boy’s, not tinies. My dog isn’t out away, but he isn’t allowed to approach the door when people come in.

He is also trained not to jump up, and never does.

I have owned dogs my whole life, and my parents (who trained dogs) did too.

If you have to put your dog away, where’s the total reliability.

You are making no sense based on what you said earlier.

I know very few people who put their own pets away when guests are round (barring larger parties). Why would they need to, if you know your dog is fine with people.

You are wildly contradicting yourself here.

Quincythequince · 14/01/2023 09:08

And btw, I don’t disagree with keeping dogs away from very young children.

But you are really not making any sense.

userxx · 14/01/2023 09:11

Ricco12 · 14/01/2023 07:54

Dog walkers need to stop walking dogs off the lead. I would never allow someone to let me dog off the lead. It's madness.

3 or 4 dogs max, walked at a brisk walking pace on the lead. Or allowed nice slow sniffy walks. This is what dog walkers should be doing.

I think it's the number of dogs being walked at any one time that's the problem. 7 or 8 is far too many, two dogs in each hand should be the absolute maximum.

Hellocatshome · 14/01/2023 09:36

Dog walkers need to stop walking dogs off the lead. I would never allow someone to let me dog off the lead. It's madness.

In this instance it seems to be them being on a lead that caused some of the problem. They got tangled around the lady and each other and in their frenzied state and not being able to get away just bit whatever was in front of them.

DunjeeOn · 14/01/2023 09:42

A trapped stressed dog is a dangerous dog

A group of stressed trapped dogs is a disaster waiting to happen

MoscowMules · 14/01/2023 10:05

I have a pedigree mastiff.

Breed standard states basically "nanny dog" they are loyal and affectionate, easily trained and intelligent dogs. They don't require high exercise a 2x 40 minute on lead walks is great for them.

However...I would never say he's 100% reliable with children, no dog is.

Now don't get me wrong I've never had cause for concern. The local kids love him and pet him on walks, they are actually fascinated by the "big dog". During street parties recently he was out, and the kids took great joy on putting party hats on him, and shaking his paw, or strolling up and down the street with him following them and plodding along. He also enjoyed a lot of cheese and mini party sausages that he was fed on a practical conveyor belt 🤣

I do put him away when my younger nephews and nieces visit, because the damn thing doesn't know where it's arse is, so accidental knock overs are a possibility. Adult guests or larger children above 5. He's in the room with me, normally sprawled across the centre of the living room or playing with the children/guest wanting scratches or his stuffed duck thrown for him 🤷🏻‍♀️

userxx · 14/01/2023 10:22

DunjeeOn · 14/01/2023 09:42

A trapped stressed dog is a dangerous dog

A group of stressed trapped dogs is a disaster waiting to happen

Yep. Just a really horrible situation.

Strictlyfanoftenyears · 14/01/2023 11:04

Zanatdy · 13/01/2023 08:55

A cockapoo is a cross breed not a mongrel, as it’s a mix of 2 breeds.

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Ha Ha, a cross breed is still a mongrel, daft thing.

Ricco12 · 14/01/2023 11:57

@Quincythequince I never said totally reliable, I said that what the KC state ...not me. I didn't write the breed standards. Confused.

I said that influenced which breed I got this time, had I not had kids I would of got something different. Plus I've owned a number of breeds including the SBT before and for my judgement , they are the best around kids.

I don't trust any dog , it's a dog , it can bite and they do bite - alot...according to A& E statistics.
My dog is very well behaved, but he is a dog so no I will never allow him to be loose around other peoples primary aged kids in my home. To me it's not a risk I would take despite what any breed standard states.

Zanatdy · 14/01/2023 12:01

Strictlyfanoftenyears · 14/01/2023 11:04

Ha Ha, a cross breed is still a mongrel, daft thing.

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I suggest you look up the difference if you think that, as there is a clear difference between cross breed and mongrel

Strictlyfanoftenyears · 14/01/2023 12:12

Zanatdy · 14/01/2023 12:01

I suggest you look up the difference if you think that, as there is a clear difference between cross breed and mongrel

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Absolutely not, love. But never mind. Im not really fussed what you think, ha ha 😍

Strictlyfanoftenyears · 14/01/2023 12:13

A Mongrel is a dog that's a mix of two or more dog breeds. They are often referred to as mixed breeds. When you hear the term crossbreed, this means a pup has been purposefully bred to display the characteristics of their parents.

Strictlyfanoftenyears · 14/01/2023 12:14

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongrel

OvaryActions · 14/01/2023 13:07

Strictlyfanoftenyears · 14/01/2023 12:13

A Mongrel is a dog that's a mix of two or more dog breeds. They are often referred to as mixed breeds. When you hear the term crossbreed, this means a pup has been purposefully bred to display the characteristics of their parents.

"Absolutely not" going to look up the difference between mongrel and crossbreeds as "not really fussed" what the poster thinks "haha 😍"

Then immediately posts 3 more times about it including 2 links regarding the difference between mongrels and crossbreeds

😅

Quincythequince · 14/01/2023 13:12

Ricco12

you clearly did say that, and nowhere can I
find KC saying that, anywhere!

Total reliability and any breed of dog should not be in the same sentence. Ever.

Apologies another dog thread
Quincythequince · 14/01/2023 13:14

And I’m not talking about your dog Ricco12.

I obviously can’t comment on him can I.

But to say staffies and KC spaniels are the only two totally reliable breeds, is just rubbish!

You said this about breeds generally.

It’s just not true.

Stop using examples of your dog to Demonstrate this. It’s meaningless and I don’t care.

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