Apologies another dog thread

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When in the actual fuck is this going to end?! Absolutely heartbreaking!! What is possessing people to either A. Get dogs they cannot contain?!! B. Get dog breeds totally beyond there control/capacity!

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I think we can safely say that the dogs I encounter in various contexts in various areas, are a decent representative cross-section of the dog population.

Haha quite.

Yes a cross breed is as it says on the tin, a cross of two pedigree dogs, so cockapoo, cavapoo or just general Lab x collie. A mongrel is a mix of min of 3 breeds or a dog of unknown breed. There is a difference but people who like to try and slate cross breeds and call them designer dogs never have any idea that a mongrel is not the same as a mix of two pedigree dogs.

Why don't you contact the KC and tell them to change the breed standard then

You quoted it as if you agreed with it - in fact you even stated it as one of the reasons you got a staffy.

Jesus ... I give up "face..palm"

Ok so I got a SBT because under the right circumstances, brought up correctly and owned by responsible people they are they are 1 of the 2 best dogs suited to living with children.

No I don't think they should be left alone near babies, young kids. No I don't think they aren't capable of biting. Yes the KC state in the breed standard they are totally reliable but I think unless you are a moron you will understand what that actually means. But perhaps for people who don't understand dogs , it should be reworded as clearly you guys are struggling to understand what that means. It's clearly causing a lot of confusion. As for KC it's not a breed I know at all so couldn't comment at all.

Also remember SBT is a pure bred breed not a "staffy" which is a term often used to describe a dog that resembles a SBT but in fact is a mix of god knows what. When people see my SBT they think he is a mini one , as a true Stafford is maximum 16" tall. Most you see walking about are not pedigree Stafford's. When you start adding god knows what into the mix you have no idea what you are getting and often compromise temperament.

As a child we had a Labrador/GSD cross, and my parents called it a mongrel.
Nowadays it's called a Shepador of all things. It was a lovely dog, but no one ever treated it as anything other than a mongrel

Apart from breeders I dont think anyone treats mongrels different to pure breed dogs do they?

One of the dogs that mauled the poor woman has been identified as 11 stone Leonberger “Shiva” which had previously featured on a dog training program about unruly puppies.

Other dogs involved were a collie, Dachshunds and would you believe … a cockapoo

The whole thing is very strange. Not one of these breeds are known to be aggressive and a dog psychologist has said even if one of the dogs were aggressive, the rest would not normally join in on the mauling.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQy1s-pdWm0

The Leonberger is on this video as a puppy. It’s quite a concerning watch … at 15 weeks old the pup is growling and constantly biting the owner and the owner is stood on a chair to escape it.

I know all puppies bite but there is something really off about this

And when I say something is off, I mean with the way the owner deals with the dog - not necessarily with the dog itself

All dogs can be aggressive in the wrong hands though. My good friend is a dog behaviourist and her appointments are full of cockapoos and labradors etc…in fact every kind of dog breed there is. She says since lockdown it’s spiralling out of control. Loads of owners not putting the time in to socialising or training.

@DunjeeOn The amazement you feel at a cockapoo that could potentially be aggressive is indicative of the problem in this country. We’re obsessed with breed to the point of lunacy. It’s a dog, they all have teeth. Dogs that bite don’t come with horns and a sign saying ‘I bite’.

Before anyone starts yes I know it's the Daily Mail ..but this is a interesting take on it from a dog psychologist.

Worth a read.

I find the whole dog walker's situation very risky. I think there needs to be a huge overhaul on this industry.

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Humanising dogs is also a massive issue. I also remember as a kid places where people just let their dog out for the day. I guess dog ownership wasn't as prolific but I don't remember people being attacked and killed. I get why you might need a dog walker on occasion but if you are relying on someone else to walk your dog you aren't building the relationship with your dog that you need in order to understand and connect. All breeds have the potential to bite. Smaller breeds pose less of a threat. My experience of other dogs attacking mine is limited as I tend to walk in my very rural location. Twice however off lead dogs have attacked mine. Both times they have been labs and without a swift intervention from me could have been nasty. I was always aware of how this could escalate when my young son used to walk a lot with me and always taught him to move to something higher up and out of the way if a 'naughty dog' went for ours.

I was directing the faux amazement at those going on about how reliable cockapoo types are. I can’t stand the “poo” trend personally, every “cockerpoo” I’ve met as been untrained, unruly and out of control - because daft types tend to buy them

The reporting on this is shocking, I wish they would wait until they have the facts. Yesterday it was the dachshunds, the Leo today, tomorrow are we going for the cockerpoo?

The videos of the Leo as a pup show an inexperienced owner with a large breed puppy she can’t handle. It happens, it should never have been sold to her IMO and I don’t believe they are dogs for flats. I also would never ever send mine with a dog walker regardless of circumstances. They are a dog that needs an experienced handler, they aren’t just born ready made gentle giants, they behave exactly the same as any other puppy or adolescent only 10 times bigger.

It’s a very noticeable and stand out dog, if it has history or form for any aggression it will come out of the woodwork. People don’t forget dealing with distinctive dogs like that. There are aggressive Leo’s, just the same as there’s aggression in all breeds. Usually though it’s very rare, they normally have very calm and steady temperaments.

The reporting states there were 8 dogs. One Leo, 2 dachshunds, possibly a cocker poo and a collie. That leaves 4 of unknown type, could literally be anything. Yet today the Leo has almost 100% of the blame. A witness reported seeing her being attacked by 4 medium sized dogs. Now, anyone who’s seen a Leo knows they could never ever be described as a medium sized dog. Seeing a dog that weighs 80kg attacking someone is no something that could be mistaken for anything else. You can’t confuse it with the collie that’s for sure…

I have a friend with two rescue American Bulldogs. I’m not frightened of them. She’s a dog walker and a qualified behaviourist, and the first to admit that these dogs are not for the novice owner. Some of language used on her around these dogs is melodramatic. It’s just a dog.

Apologies.

I agree, that’s what I took from the video. The pup was taking the piss out of her big time and she was screaming and shouting and standing on bloody chairs etc rather than dealing with it. The very fact that it was out with a dog Walker suggests that she doesn’t interact with it much herself so it probably spends a lot of time cooped up in a pokey flat. Totally agree she should never have got passed the “puppy inquiry” stage

Completely agree, people need to walk their own dogs. If you don't have time to walk your dog, simply don't have one. The owner and the dog need a relationship where the dog is consistently trained and managed by the same people.

My dog has been attacked once, he was a puppy and it was a french bulldog. I now have a giant breed that is scared and hides from french bulldogs 🤦🏻‍♀️ If we see one on a walk he will "hide" beside me and whimper.

Problem is french bulldog owners have this thing where "oh he's too little to kill anything/hurt anything badly" so they are let off lead with poor socialising skills and poor recall, so the bulldog can't tell my giant breed wants zero interaction and I have to tell the owners to get the dog away my dog is scared.

And people can't figure out how a mastiff is cowering and whimpering can be scared and think it's funny, you won't think it funny if he snaps though will you....

Keep your dogs on a lead. Dogs don't need to "play" with strange dogs. A well socialised and trained dog is actually dismissive and will ignore other dogs. Dogs are dogs, not human children. They don't require the same daily "interactions".

I've met a few Leonbergers... all but one were steady, calm, gentle..the last was a hyperactive lunatic. He launched himself at my dog every time ( training class). I stopped using the club as my dog was starting to prempt it. They were young, but the class was the wrong setting for that particular dog, as it was for mine. I found a couple of really good 1-2-1 trainers, and 4 years later, I still do weekly sessions.

I love Leons...beautiful dogs.

The shock of the incident in the news is that it involves ordinary breed dogs, not the usual suspects that the initial presumption consisted of.

If anything what I hope comes out if this is that everyone who owns any breed of dog understands the importance of the responsibility they have currently sat in their house.

Every owner is responsible for the behaviour and temperament of their dog in public, weather you have a cockerpoo a Labrador or a bigger breed.

Any dog can bite, any dog can injure.

Pepsi the cockerpoo can be as much of a public nuisance and danger as Roxy the rottweiler.

Dogs are dogs, they need exercise, training, stimulation and good social skills. It's the owners responsibility to ensure this is done and maintained by them at all times.

Absolutely idiotic owning a dog that size while living in a tiny space.

That Leon literally didn’t stop nipping in that video did she?

Giving the pup the completely wrong signals. If I stood on a chair screeching my dog would 100% definitely think I was playing with her, and would have done the behaviour more.

a certain amount of blame should go to the breeder who sold her the dog. It’s didn’t sound appropriate from the outset.

I still can’t get over how tragic this is. I don’t think dog walkers should be able to walk as many dogs at once. That poor woman!

The clip is awful, it's like 101 how not to be around or train a dog. 😳

Our Giant Breed has never chewed furniture, shoes nothing not even when a puppy. As grim as this sounds we just give him raw pig hooves/legs he chews on them for hours. We also trained him that we could take it away at any point and he was never to be reactive about having it taken away even when salivating and thoroughly enjoying it. Out local butcher sells them to us for like 50'p a hoof. Cheap as chips and safe for the dog.

You can take anything away from our dog, he accepts that he must give it up without fuss. He shares his dry dog food with the cat. The cat can literally just shove it's head in the bowl and start crunching away when he's eating and the dog does nothing. The cat is a bully though 🤣

Forever swiping and hissing at dog, who then just lays down and looks at me as if to say "mum cat is being nasty again". He's never chased or barked at the cat, they sleep together in the dog bed, when the cat was a kitten dog used to pick him up gently and carry him back to the bed where he would "groom" aka slobber over kitten 🤦🏻‍♀️