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Childminder called my son a monster

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rzk · 10/11/2022 22:25

My two year old son goes to a childminder. He's a sweet boy, but he has been misbehaving lately. Basically, he pulls other children's hair when he wants a toy. Whenever he does that to his little sister (8 months) we tell him off sternly.
A lot of the times we prevent it from happening because we see he's about to do it and we pull him away.

I know his behaviour is totally unacceptable and I fully support the childminder discipling him ( within reason)

I'm just so upset at the language they used at pickup "He's been an absolute monster today. We can't go on like this. A little girl screamed when she walked in and saw him. We can't have children coming in being scared. Something has to give. We have to start being much more stern with him".

I'm quite upset. I know my son isn't a saint, but he's also not a monster. I also don't understand why they are confronting me as if I can do anything about it. When he's at the childminder I am working, that's why I use childcare. I have no influence on what he is doing there.

I am not sure why I am posting this. I think partly I am upset and partly I am wondering if anyone has any advice on how to teach him to stop pulling hair?

OP posts:
JoanOfAllTrades · 13/11/2022 14:03

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 13/11/2022 10:21

There are people like myself who strongly believe in physical discipline, very strongly so, seeing what a complete mess the UK has turned into since it's been withdrawn, which has been the hallmark of all civilised societies for generations, until the last 10 years. So, sorry but not all of us agree with the woke bs that it's abuse. A quick smack on the behind is simple proper parenting and not abuse. Also, I used to bite as a child. My mum bit me once, it stopped me biting again. Same with a friend of mine. It's the fastest and most effective way to nip that behaviour in the bud regardless of the bs woke brigade.

Please don’t quote this “woke bs” at me! As a POC in these so-called civilised countries where I and other POC were treated as 2nd class citizens, it’s actually YOU who is now being “woke”.

Let me ask you how many white people you think thought it was okay, in the enlightened times when corporal punishment was still allowed, to cane non-white children for such crimes as appearing to daydream in class? Not because daydreaming wasn’t something done by white kids, but because they were racist AF and didn’t like people “like us” in their schools!

So yeah, you might think that corporal punishment and such like is so great but when it’s abused, it’s not such a great thing.

Also, FYI, corporal punishment and physical “discipline” have not been allowed in the UK since the late 1970’s.

As stated in my post, I have never resorted to physical punishment with any of my children and I would be horrified if I found out my children used violence against my grandchildren! And to this day, my children (who are now adults with children) are still polite and respectful to people, have good jobs and are upstanding members of society. All without ever being physically punished! I’m sure you find this very strange!

I think it would be interesting if studies were done to see whether these people turning the UK into such an awful place were physically punished at home or instead felt loved and secured. Oh! Hang on a hot minute! Those studies have been done and interestingly, children who are subjected to being smacked, bitten, hair pulled, etc., are more likely to commit crimes! And to be antisocial. So, whilst your mother may not have caused any harm apart from leaving the odd tooth mark here and there, not all children are the same and the psychological and emotional trauma left on a child’s psyche after being subjected to the odd love bite can do irreparable damage. And studies have further shown that it is that type of trauma that can be passed down the generations, thus ensuring more damaged people walking around! But you do you!

Guitarbar · 13/11/2022 14:09

She said his behaviour was like a monster, not that he was one. It's interesting that you're more bothered about this than the fact another child is terrified of him to the point that they scream when they see him.

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 13/11/2022 14:16

JoanOfAllTrades · 13/11/2022 14:03

Please don’t quote this “woke bs” at me! As a POC in these so-called civilised countries where I and other POC were treated as 2nd class citizens, it’s actually YOU who is now being “woke”.

Let me ask you how many white people you think thought it was okay, in the enlightened times when corporal punishment was still allowed, to cane non-white children for such crimes as appearing to daydream in class? Not because daydreaming wasn’t something done by white kids, but because they were racist AF and didn’t like people “like us” in their schools!

So yeah, you might think that corporal punishment and such like is so great but when it’s abused, it’s not such a great thing.

Also, FYI, corporal punishment and physical “discipline” have not been allowed in the UK since the late 1970’s.

As stated in my post, I have never resorted to physical punishment with any of my children and I would be horrified if I found out my children used violence against my grandchildren! And to this day, my children (who are now adults with children) are still polite and respectful to people, have good jobs and are upstanding members of society. All without ever being physically punished! I’m sure you find this very strange!

I think it would be interesting if studies were done to see whether these people turning the UK into such an awful place were physically punished at home or instead felt loved and secured. Oh! Hang on a hot minute! Those studies have been done and interestingly, children who are subjected to being smacked, bitten, hair pulled, etc., are more likely to commit crimes! And to be antisocial. So, whilst your mother may not have caused any harm apart from leaving the odd tooth mark here and there, not all children are the same and the psychological and emotional trauma left on a child’s psyche after being subjected to the odd love bite can do irreparable damage. And studies have further shown that it is that type of trauma that can be passed down the generations, thus ensuring more damaged people walking around! But you do you!

Um, POC are more in favour of physical discipline than white people, so don't use your racist bs angle with me.

As I said, I will never change my mind on this. Ever. In fact, I've only become more convinced due to the societal decay that the UK is, ever since the failed experiment to stop proper discipline was enacted. It's been a disaster. And it's solidified my view and it becomes more firmer the longer I am on this site. I will never, ever, ever change my mind on this. Neither will you. And that's ok. So lets agree to disagree.

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JoanOfAllTrades · 13/11/2022 14:32

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 13/11/2022 14:16

Um, POC are more in favour of physical discipline than white people, so don't use your racist bs angle with me.

As I said, I will never change my mind on this. Ever. In fact, I've only become more convinced due to the societal decay that the UK is, ever since the failed experiment to stop proper discipline was enacted. It's been a disaster. And it's solidified my view and it becomes more firmer the longer I am on this site. I will never, ever, ever change my mind on this. Neither will you. And that's ok. So lets agree to disagree.

How dare you! Seriously are you calling me racist? Or just saying racism is bs and therefore doesn’t exist? Do you realise how racist your first sentence is?

And you think that you know more about my culture than me, even though you don’t know me? And you really can’t lump all POC together like that because we are all different! We are all different shades of colour, with different cultures, languages, customs, religions and views! I know that might surprise you!

It is people like you who contributes to the societal decay because for instance, you think, erm, how did you put it, my racist angle is bs, which I interpret as you believing racism doesn’t exist. Otherwise you would never have put that. Or perhaps you would have thought a little bit longer about your reply and worded it slightly differently as opposed to going off in a hotheaded rush. I can only hope you’re not that hotheaded in real life!

Amoreena · 13/11/2022 15:48

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 13/11/2022 11:07

Anyway my opinion on this is not for turning, and becomes more and more and more stronger the more I read how out of control children are in the UK compared to places like France. If anything, site has firmed my views so we will have to agree to disagree.

Smacking is illegal in France but not in England so that disproves your point.

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 13/11/2022 16:52

JoanOfAllTrades · 13/11/2022 14:32

How dare you! Seriously are you calling me racist? Or just saying racism is bs and therefore doesn’t exist? Do you realise how racist your first sentence is?

And you think that you know more about my culture than me, even though you don’t know me? And you really can’t lump all POC together like that because we are all different! We are all different shades of colour, with different cultures, languages, customs, religions and views! I know that might surprise you!

It is people like you who contributes to the societal decay because for instance, you think, erm, how did you put it, my racist angle is bs, which I interpret as you believing racism doesn’t exist. Otherwise you would never have put that. Or perhaps you would have thought a little bit longer about your reply and worded it slightly differently as opposed to going off in a hotheaded rush. I can only hope you’re not that hotheaded in real life!

You're the one who first brought up POC, so yes, you are a racist.

Your posts are very aggressive and agitated, you're the one that is hotheaded. You lack all perspective and are just frothing at the phone/keyboard right now.

As I said, I will never change my mind on this. Neither will you. So lets agree to disagree. I won't be responding to any more of your aggressive and unhinged long diatribes. So goodbye.

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 13/11/2022 16:54

Amoreena · 13/11/2022 15:48

Smacking is illegal in France but not in England so that disproves your point.

Yet according to other people who have gone to France, smacking is legal and is done in public, many said how surprised they were how prolific smacking is, and out in the open.
Also at how polite and well-behaved most of the children are over there compared to in the UK.

ilyx · 13/11/2022 16:55

Antisocial behaviour is somewhat genetic so just saying “kids who end up being smacked are more violent because they are smacked” is quite simplistic. Part of it is that antisocial personality types are more likely to smack and the children of those personalities also have predisposition to behave that way aswell.

Amoreena · 13/11/2022 17:00

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 13/11/2022 16:54

Yet according to other people who have gone to France, smacking is legal and is done in public, many said how surprised they were how prolific smacking is, and out in the open.
Also at how polite and well-behaved most of the children are over there compared to in the UK.

Smacking has been illegal in France since 2019. Just because you weren't capable of getting children to behave without assaulting them doesn't mean the rest of us can't do it.
Smacking has been illegal in Sweden since the 70s. I guess the Swedes are capable of bringing up well behaved kids without assaulting them too.

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 13/11/2022 17:02

Amoreena · 13/11/2022 17:00

Smacking has been illegal in France since 2019. Just because you weren't capable of getting children to behave without assaulting them doesn't mean the rest of us can't do it.
Smacking has been illegal in Sweden since the 70s. I guess the Swedes are capable of bringing up well behaved kids without assaulting them too.

Just because you weren't capable of getting children to behave without assaulting them doesn't mean the rest of us can't do it.

That statement says far more about you than me.

And if the UK is any evidence to go by, they clearly aren't capable. But that has been shown over the last 10 years.

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 13/11/2022 17:03

Yet people still openly do it, according to other posters.

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 13/11/2022 17:04

Forgot to add it has only been banned since 2019, so, 3 years ago. Lets see what the result of this is in 10-15 years. My guess is it will be the failed experiment that UK has produced.

The proof will tell in time. UK already has.

Amoreena · 13/11/2022 17:05

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 13/11/2022 17:02

Just because you weren't capable of getting children to behave without assaulting them doesn't mean the rest of us can't do it.

That statement says far more about you than me.

And if the UK is any evidence to go by, they clearly aren't capable. But that has been shown over the last 10 years.

So are you saying behaviour is out of control in Sweden with a high crime rate? Wrong!

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 13/11/2022 17:06

Anyway that's all I will to contributing to on this part of the discussion. I will never change my mind, (in fact, it's Mumsnet that convinced me 100% and firmed my view) and I respect your right to have a different view, so I hope you respect my right to my view.

Amoreena · 13/11/2022 17:07

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 13/11/2022 17:06

Anyway that's all I will to contributing to on this part of the discussion. I will never change my mind, (in fact, it's Mumsnet that convinced me 100% and firmed my view) and I respect your right to have a different view, so I hope you respect my right to my view.

No I don't respect people who assault children. I hope it soon becomes illegal in England as in France and Sweden. So do you think behaviour in Sweden is out of control given smacking has been banned there since the 70s? Or are you avoiding the question?

Abracadabra12345 · 13/11/2022 17:50

Cwcwbird · 11/11/2022 07:10

As a former childminder who has dealt with this scenario, yanbu OP. She's clearly struggling with the situation because she's not handling it very well - and I don't think I'd want my kids somewhere where they'd be stuck in the house all day. We were out all the time. I had waterproofs and wellies and off we went in all weathers. You're right op it has a very positive impact on the behaviour of young kids, gettung outside and having fresh air.

I'd have a look at what other provision is available in your area. In the meantime I'd speak to the childminder and emphasis what you're doing at home to tackle his behaviour and ask her what she's doing. Make sure you're on the same page. She should have initiated that conversation really but she sounds a bit inexperienced or overwhelmed.

Former childminder here too and with two very lively, boisterous littles plus my own, it was essential they went out, in all weathers as you say. At that age, they are easily -frustrated, with developing play and sharing skills. It’s easier to work on those when the children have been nicely worn out first!

Its so much easier as a worker in group care (as I am now) than having to do everything as one person. As a childminder you are busy doing meals and tidying up and trying to supervise all at the same, talk about needing eyes at the back of your head!

Onceinnever · 13/11/2022 18:41

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 13/11/2022 11:05

That is ignorant, it is not violent or abusive, which is why thankfully in most civilised countries it is still legal.

So if you're 2 and you bite your peers, that's horrific.
But if you're 30 and bite a 2 year old, that's good?

BadNomad · 13/11/2022 18:50

In Jenny's world it is NEVER ok to call a child a freak, but it is ok to hit them. 🤔

JoanOfAllTrades · 14/11/2022 00:52

BadNomad · 13/11/2022 18:50

In Jenny's world it is NEVER ok to call a child a freak, but it is ok to hit them. 🤔

In Jenny’s world, only POC are racist, antisocial behaviour has only existed in the UK since corporal punishment was outlawed and children who bite/hit/kick/whatever other children are misbehaving but adults who model that same behaviour to children as punishment need a medal!

I hope to God that she never goes in to politics!

mathanxiety · 14/11/2022 03:14

What it boils down to is that she's not paying enough attention to what's going on in her group.

You're doing fine at home, watching and intervening. I would add "Gentle hands please" and give a demonstration of gentle hands touching hair. I would also add that baby will be sore if he pulls her hair.

The CM isn't doing enough to head DS off before he gets his hands into someone's hair, then blaming you, and using ott language to describe normal uninhibited toddler behaviour.

Katapolts · 14/11/2022 11:04

mathanxiety · 14/11/2022 03:14

What it boils down to is that she's not paying enough attention to what's going on in her group.

You're doing fine at home, watching and intervening. I would add "Gentle hands please" and give a demonstration of gentle hands touching hair. I would also add that baby will be sore if he pulls her hair.

The CM isn't doing enough to head DS off before he gets his hands into someone's hair, then blaming you, and using ott language to describe normal uninhibited toddler behaviour.

The OP only has 2 children to watch and it is still happening.

The Childminder might have 6 children to watch. There won't be as much 1:1 attention in a childcare setting - of course it is easier to manage aggressive behaviour at home. For safety reasons, childminders will often have higher expectations of children's behaviour than parents might.

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