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Childminder called my son a monster

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rzk · 10/11/2022 22:25

My two year old son goes to a childminder. He's a sweet boy, but he has been misbehaving lately. Basically, he pulls other children's hair when he wants a toy. Whenever he does that to his little sister (8 months) we tell him off sternly.
A lot of the times we prevent it from happening because we see he's about to do it and we pull him away.

I know his behaviour is totally unacceptable and I fully support the childminder discipling him ( within reason)

I'm just so upset at the language they used at pickup "He's been an absolute monster today. We can't go on like this. A little girl screamed when she walked in and saw him. We can't have children coming in being scared. Something has to give. We have to start being much more stern with him".

I'm quite upset. I know my son isn't a saint, but he's also not a monster. I also don't understand why they are confronting me as if I can do anything about it. When he's at the childminder I am working, that's why I use childcare. I have no influence on what he is doing there.

I am not sure why I am posting this. I think partly I am upset and partly I am wondering if anyone has any advice on how to teach him to stop pulling hair?

OP posts:
sadiewt · 12/11/2022 19:55

I haven't RTFT but have read your replies to say you've had a pile... so I just want to stick up for you and say your instincts are right. Your childminder is not up to scratch. Your child, like everyone, needs to be taught how to behave and a good childminder would be helping him to do so.

ilyx · 12/11/2022 20:05

sadiewt · 12/11/2022 19:55

I haven't RTFT but have read your replies to say you've had a pile... so I just want to stick up for you and say your instincts are right. Your childminder is not up to scratch. Your child, like everyone, needs to be taught how to behave and a good childminder would be helping him to do so.

If the OP can’t teach her own child how to behave why do you expect a childminder who is responsible for looking after many other children to be able to do it?

sadiewt · 12/11/2022 20:05

Both need to teach the child how to behave!

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Yes a 2 year old child must be truly terrifying, Abusing him won't teach him anything.

1dontunderstand · 13/11/2022 00:23

WTAF is going on with this thread?
@StressedToTheMaxxx Suggesting that the child should be smacked or have his own hair pulled!!!
Are any of you actually Ofsted registered?

1dontunderstand · 13/11/2022 00:25

Thank you @CuriousCatfish

1dontunderstand · 13/11/2022 00:27

@ilyx if the childminder can’t look after the children, then have less children or give notice to this family!

1dontunderstand · 13/11/2022 00:29

@sadiewt a food childminder would be teaching the child how to control their emotions. It is part of growing and our job to teach them in a healthy and secure way

caringcarer · 13/11/2022 01:13

If your child pulls other children's hair to get his own way to get a toy he is not a sweet boy he is attacking another child with no provocation. My sister removed my niece from a childminder because another child bit her on several occasions. She had to take her for tetanus injection. It is up to parents to make their child understand not to be a bully and try to hurt other children to grab toy for themselves. Toy should always be given to victim if a child pulls hair or bites. Child who pulls hair should be told that has hurt X child. You must be gentle and kind to X child. Just pulling him away clearly does not stop his bad behaviour. I would be expecting CM to give him notice as they have to ensure safety of all children in their care.

JoanOfAllTrades · 13/11/2022 05:26

@StressedToTheMaxxx I find it quite disgusting and disturbing that any so-called adult, much less anyone who actually looks after children for a living, feels it’s reasonable and appropriate to suggest hitting a child or pulling a child’s hair! And a two year old no less!

Really?

This is what childminders advocate to each other?

I have raised 7 children and never ever did I resort to physical violence to punish them. Even way back in the unelightened 1980’s!

Hitting a child, pulling their hair or any other form of physical abuse will only impair a child’s emotional growth and teach that child that hitting/pulling hair/whatever form of abuse you are using is okay! And the child knows that because the person responsible for making that child feel loved and cared for is actually the one abusing them!

Some of the comments on this thread are quite horrendous.

Of course OP’s child shouldn’t be pulling hair but @rzk isn't always present when the undesirable behaviour manifests so cannot deal with it in the moment. And it needs to be dealt with in the moment! Childminder and OP both have a responsibility to teach good behaviour and OP trying to teach child hours after the incident isn’t going to have much impact.

When child engages in undesirable behaviour, child needs to be taken away from other children and to be told firmly that behaviour is wrong, why it’s wrong, impact of behaviour and then given a few (and I mean, a few) minutes of time out in a different area to properly absorb in a quiet way what happened. And this should happen to all misbehaving children. So all the children can see that if they misbehave, they are going to miss out on playing and having fun.

Additionally to those saying childminders have too many other children to look after, I say this - OFSTED (if they’re still a thing and childminders aren’t left as one adult to look after 50 under 5 children the way some posters are making it sound!) mandates how many of each age group a childminder can look after! If that childminder can’t manage to look after all their minded kids appropriately, that’s on them, not on the parents.

When I lived in the UK, I used a childminder and she had only my 2 primary age children and another primary age child and she couldn’t cope. They lived on those ravioli pouches and salad. I didn’t like that so I sent them to the after school club. Childminder was livid because she bought a shiny new Kia 7 seater in the basis of my children. That was a tough titty situation!

Back then, CPD was a thing for childminders as were regular inspections. The childminder that OP uses sounds a bit ineffective, especially if she doesn’t know how to handle challenging behaviour. She also sounds unprofessional and unpleasant. She should not have told OP about another child crying at seeing OP’s child. She should have said, especially if this was in front of OP’s child, that there had been some challenging behaviour, what the behaviour was, how she dealt with it, asked how OP deals with it and asked OP to help her make a plan. She should have mentioned that another child got upset and seeing OP’s child and explained why (was OP’s child singling out this child? Was he always only pulling her hair? Did the childminder play games with the children where they took turns or were the children left to their own devices with toys, whilst the CM drank tea, gossiped with her friends and watched reruns of Jeremy Kyle?).

I find it interesting that OP’s child wants the toys that other children are playing with. Is this because OP’s child finds it hard to play imaginatively so therefore sees how other children may use a toy and thus wants to try it out himself?

It could be that OP’s child is neurodiverse (and I’m not diagnosing, but simply using 3 decades of child rearing, coupled with 40 decades of nursing experience to make an observation based on what I’ve seen many times before).

The (reasonable) suggestions that have been made, such as playing turn taking games, explaining what is good and bad behaviour and modelling good behaviour (so don’t get angry or lose your temper or shout in front of your child. Ever) are really good and also will help OP to determine whether she thinks that the hair pulling is related to not being able to actually wait patiently for a turn or not being able to play imaginatively. Lego or those big Lego style bricks since the child and baby are so young is also a good way to assess how imaginative a child is. Can the child build different types of buildings, or cars, or bikes or whatever? If not, again, there may be some neurodivergence at work.

Bad behaviour doesn’t happen overnight and it can’t be stamped out overnight. it’s also crucial to get down at the child’s level and not loom over him whilst taking to him. Or any child.

Being consistent is key and so is being calm and that can be really hard for parents that may be up at 5 to get the kids and themselves ready and dropped off to CM by 7 to get to work on time, put in their 8 or 8 and a half hours, then travel back to pick up child, get home, cook dinner, baths, bedtime routine etc., etc.

There were so many times (and still are) when I’ve had to deal with the behaviour and then walk away, because it’s the 10th time in an hour and I want to scream. I’ve never physically punished my kids, I’ve only grounded them a handful of times each, but all my children (even the grown ups 😂) say that I’m scary. When their children used to misbehave they would say to me “go on, do that thing you do! What thing? Apparently it’s my face and my tone of voice and even in their 30’s, on Skype or WhatsApp or whatever, I still do it if I think they’ve done something wrong! Being a parent, means parenting. Your children are not your friends, your equals or your partners. They are your children and just like at work, you act a certain way to your bosses, they need to learn how to act in front of you and in front of other people.

When I lived in the UK, and to some extent now, when I would be out and see neighbours children in the shopping mall or wherever and they were misbehaving, I would tell them off. But I am old school and firmly believe in the old adage “it takes a village”. And my immediate neighbour used to ask me to look after her child when she couldn’t take him to nursery because he was ill or something and she used to say it’s because she wanted her child to be like mine! And the neighbour next door to her, used to come and thank me for telling her (teenage) children off because they used to moan about telling her off and there was a fashion of wearing your jeans under your bum and I would creep up behind them and pull their jeans up 😂.

Be nice to your children, respect them, model that behaviour and then go scream in the car and your children will do things because they want to be happy and they want to make you happy.

When I train new nurses, I say to them, no matter how much a patient may goad you or annoy you, never let it show. Once you leave their room, you can silently scream in the pan room or the drug room, but if you treat that patient like they’re your family, you will never go wrong. It’s the same with children.

boboshmobo · 13/11/2022 06:11

I think she is telling you that your parenting needs addressing ..

She obviously thinks you aren't doing that when he is with you and therefore won't behave when he is with her ..

sadiewt · 13/11/2022 09:03

sadiewt · 12/11/2022 19:55

I haven't RTFT but have read your replies to say you've had a pile... so I just want to stick up for you and say your instincts are right. Your childminder is not up to scratch. Your child, like everyone, needs to be taught how to behave and a good childminder would be helping him to do so.

Yes I know @1dontunderstand - i think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying

badassbaby · 13/11/2022 09:20

JoanOfAllTrades · 13/11/2022 05:26

@StressedToTheMaxxx I find it quite disgusting and disturbing that any so-called adult, much less anyone who actually looks after children for a living, feels it’s reasonable and appropriate to suggest hitting a child or pulling a child’s hair! And a two year old no less!

Really?

This is what childminders advocate to each other?

I have raised 7 children and never ever did I resort to physical violence to punish them. Even way back in the unelightened 1980’s!

Hitting a child, pulling their hair or any other form of physical abuse will only impair a child’s emotional growth and teach that child that hitting/pulling hair/whatever form of abuse you are using is okay! And the child knows that because the person responsible for making that child feel loved and cared for is actually the one abusing them!

Some of the comments on this thread are quite horrendous.

Of course OP’s child shouldn’t be pulling hair but @rzk isn't always present when the undesirable behaviour manifests so cannot deal with it in the moment. And it needs to be dealt with in the moment! Childminder and OP both have a responsibility to teach good behaviour and OP trying to teach child hours after the incident isn’t going to have much impact.

When child engages in undesirable behaviour, child needs to be taken away from other children and to be told firmly that behaviour is wrong, why it’s wrong, impact of behaviour and then given a few (and I mean, a few) minutes of time out in a different area to properly absorb in a quiet way what happened. And this should happen to all misbehaving children. So all the children can see that if they misbehave, they are going to miss out on playing and having fun.

Additionally to those saying childminders have too many other children to look after, I say this - OFSTED (if they’re still a thing and childminders aren’t left as one adult to look after 50 under 5 children the way some posters are making it sound!) mandates how many of each age group a childminder can look after! If that childminder can’t manage to look after all their minded kids appropriately, that’s on them, not on the parents.

When I lived in the UK, I used a childminder and she had only my 2 primary age children and another primary age child and she couldn’t cope. They lived on those ravioli pouches and salad. I didn’t like that so I sent them to the after school club. Childminder was livid because she bought a shiny new Kia 7 seater in the basis of my children. That was a tough titty situation!

Back then, CPD was a thing for childminders as were regular inspections. The childminder that OP uses sounds a bit ineffective, especially if she doesn’t know how to handle challenging behaviour. She also sounds unprofessional and unpleasant. She should not have told OP about another child crying at seeing OP’s child. She should have said, especially if this was in front of OP’s child, that there had been some challenging behaviour, what the behaviour was, how she dealt with it, asked how OP deals with it and asked OP to help her make a plan. She should have mentioned that another child got upset and seeing OP’s child and explained why (was OP’s child singling out this child? Was he always only pulling her hair? Did the childminder play games with the children where they took turns or were the children left to their own devices with toys, whilst the CM drank tea, gossiped with her friends and watched reruns of Jeremy Kyle?).

I find it interesting that OP’s child wants the toys that other children are playing with. Is this because OP’s child finds it hard to play imaginatively so therefore sees how other children may use a toy and thus wants to try it out himself?

It could be that OP’s child is neurodiverse (and I’m not diagnosing, but simply using 3 decades of child rearing, coupled with 40 decades of nursing experience to make an observation based on what I’ve seen many times before).

The (reasonable) suggestions that have been made, such as playing turn taking games, explaining what is good and bad behaviour and modelling good behaviour (so don’t get angry or lose your temper or shout in front of your child. Ever) are really good and also will help OP to determine whether she thinks that the hair pulling is related to not being able to actually wait patiently for a turn or not being able to play imaginatively. Lego or those big Lego style bricks since the child and baby are so young is also a good way to assess how imaginative a child is. Can the child build different types of buildings, or cars, or bikes or whatever? If not, again, there may be some neurodivergence at work.

Bad behaviour doesn’t happen overnight and it can’t be stamped out overnight. it’s also crucial to get down at the child’s level and not loom over him whilst taking to him. Or any child.

Being consistent is key and so is being calm and that can be really hard for parents that may be up at 5 to get the kids and themselves ready and dropped off to CM by 7 to get to work on time, put in their 8 or 8 and a half hours, then travel back to pick up child, get home, cook dinner, baths, bedtime routine etc., etc.

There were so many times (and still are) when I’ve had to deal with the behaviour and then walk away, because it’s the 10th time in an hour and I want to scream. I’ve never physically punished my kids, I’ve only grounded them a handful of times each, but all my children (even the grown ups 😂) say that I’m scary. When their children used to misbehave they would say to me “go on, do that thing you do! What thing? Apparently it’s my face and my tone of voice and even in their 30’s, on Skype or WhatsApp or whatever, I still do it if I think they’ve done something wrong! Being a parent, means parenting. Your children are not your friends, your equals or your partners. They are your children and just like at work, you act a certain way to your bosses, they need to learn how to act in front of you and in front of other people.

When I lived in the UK, and to some extent now, when I would be out and see neighbours children in the shopping mall or wherever and they were misbehaving, I would tell them off. But I am old school and firmly believe in the old adage “it takes a village”. And my immediate neighbour used to ask me to look after her child when she couldn’t take him to nursery because he was ill or something and she used to say it’s because she wanted her child to be like mine! And the neighbour next door to her, used to come and thank me for telling her (teenage) children off because they used to moan about telling her off and there was a fashion of wearing your jeans under your bum and I would creep up behind them and pull their jeans up 😂.

Be nice to your children, respect them, model that behaviour and then go scream in the car and your children will do things because they want to be happy and they want to make you happy.

When I train new nurses, I say to them, no matter how much a patient may goad you or annoy you, never let it show. Once you leave their room, you can silently scream in the pan room or the drug room, but if you treat that patient like they’re your family, you will never go wrong. It’s the same with children.

How dare you?
There is no indication that the poster advocating hitting the child is a childminder.
However I AM a childminder and I find your post utterly repugnant.
Ofsted is still a "thing", cms are held to the same standards of practise as a nursery.
We don't EVER advise each other to hit our childminder children - not only is it illegal, every cm I know (and I know a lot) genuinely cares for their mindees, in any case we know how to deal with challenging behaviour.
As for the suggestion we sit round drinking tea and gossiping- -as a woman who says she is experienced in children, do you honestly think we could sit around all day every day with small children in the house, doing nothing with them?
Because I can tell you we don't. We go to parks, soft plays, museums, castles, we give the children experiences and teach them, using the EYFS.
Don't tar every childminder with the brush you tarred your previous cm with (and how unpleasant you sounded in that by the way)

MichaelFabricantWig · 13/11/2022 09:40

badassbaby · 13/11/2022 09:20

How dare you?
There is no indication that the poster advocating hitting the child is a childminder.
However I AM a childminder and I find your post utterly repugnant.
Ofsted is still a "thing", cms are held to the same standards of practise as a nursery.
We don't EVER advise each other to hit our childminder children - not only is it illegal, every cm I know (and I know a lot) genuinely cares for their mindees, in any case we know how to deal with challenging behaviour.
As for the suggestion we sit round drinking tea and gossiping- -as a woman who says she is experienced in children, do you honestly think we could sit around all day every day with small children in the house, doing nothing with them?
Because I can tell you we don't. We go to parks, soft plays, museums, castles, we give the children experiences and teach them, using the EYFS.
Don't tar every childminder with the brush you tarred your previous cm with (and how unpleasant you sounded in that by the way)

Mine are older now but the majority of the CM here used to run the toddler group held in a local church and were there gossiping and blathering while the kids ran around, this was 3 mornings and an afternoon a week. Not a lot of time for castles etc outside those times. No issue with it but it certainly follow that all CM are engaged in enrichment activities all the time.

MichaelFabricantWig · 13/11/2022 09:40

*doesn’t follow

JoanOfAllTrades · 13/11/2022 09:57

badassbaby · 13/11/2022 09:20

How dare you?
There is no indication that the poster advocating hitting the child is a childminder.
However I AM a childminder and I find your post utterly repugnant.
Ofsted is still a "thing", cms are held to the same standards of practise as a nursery.
We don't EVER advise each other to hit our childminder children - not only is it illegal, every cm I know (and I know a lot) genuinely cares for their mindees, in any case we know how to deal with challenging behaviour.
As for the suggestion we sit round drinking tea and gossiping- -as a woman who says she is experienced in children, do you honestly think we could sit around all day every day with small children in the house, doing nothing with them?
Because I can tell you we don't. We go to parks, soft plays, museums, castles, we give the children experiences and teach them, using the EYFS.
Don't tar every childminder with the brush you tarred your previous cm with (and how unpleasant you sounded in that by the way)

Erm, did you read the post that I’m referring to, particularly the smacking and hair pullling part!

You’re, erm, outrage is absolutely misguided. I was referring to the person in the post that I quoted. I wasn’t referring to you or any other CM. My post was directed to the OP and the lovely lady who actually did advocate the smacking and hair pulling.

Go and read the thread and save your moral outrage for the people who advocate physical abuse and violence towards a 2 year old.

You find me telling someone that child abuse is wrong, repugnant. And yet you don’t and aren’t robustly telling that poster that child abuse is wrong.

When people make statements with (alleged) authority, then it isn’t for myself or others to question them as to where that authority came from! This isn’t a courtroom!

In my post, I mentioned pertinent facts as to what my (limited) authority may be.

My previous experience with one CM wasn’t tarred with any brush, I just didn’t like her giving my children those tortellini things every single day! So, I moved my children and afterwards, she came to my house and said that the Kia she had bought, needed my CM payments and she had bought it on that basis. So if you find what I wrote made me sound unpleasant, can you imagine how unpleasant it was for me when she demanded I keep my children with her or at least pay her so she could afford her car payments?

As to the sitting around drinking tea, I have no idea what the OP’s CM is doing since OP herself has noted bruises on her own son, the CM doesn’t take the children out in summer but just has them playing in her garden (not sure what size that is), but “but not so much in winter”, so I state again, I’m not sure what the OP’s CM is doing, but it seems like there is not much control happening, reading between the lines of all the OP’s posts. That is why I asked what the OP’s CM is actually doing!

Please highlight where in my post I made statements about what the CM was doing! I simply asked questions because I don’t understand how that particular CM has one child who is described as being monstrous at times and another child who apparently screamed when she saw him! So again I ask, is this CM present or is she distracted by the TV, her phone, her friends, or what? I never said that this was all CMs but asked questions in relation to the OP’s CM!

I don’t think asking these questions is a bad thing, and I certainly don’t think that posting about “smacking backsides and pulling hair” is appropriate!

Please re-read the OP’s posts, the post I quoted and then my post, and read it within the context that I wrote it!

^Oh, and would you go to a parents house and ask them to keep paying you so that you could make your car payment? I gave my CM 4 weeks pay, the contract we had was for 2 weeks. And I’m ^unpleasant lol

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 13/11/2022 10:21

JoanOfAllTrades · 13/11/2022 09:57

Erm, did you read the post that I’m referring to, particularly the smacking and hair pullling part!

You’re, erm, outrage is absolutely misguided. I was referring to the person in the post that I quoted. I wasn’t referring to you or any other CM. My post was directed to the OP and the lovely lady who actually did advocate the smacking and hair pulling.

Go and read the thread and save your moral outrage for the people who advocate physical abuse and violence towards a 2 year old.

You find me telling someone that child abuse is wrong, repugnant. And yet you don’t and aren’t robustly telling that poster that child abuse is wrong.

When people make statements with (alleged) authority, then it isn’t for myself or others to question them as to where that authority came from! This isn’t a courtroom!

In my post, I mentioned pertinent facts as to what my (limited) authority may be.

My previous experience with one CM wasn’t tarred with any brush, I just didn’t like her giving my children those tortellini things every single day! So, I moved my children and afterwards, she came to my house and said that the Kia she had bought, needed my CM payments and she had bought it on that basis. So if you find what I wrote made me sound unpleasant, can you imagine how unpleasant it was for me when she demanded I keep my children with her or at least pay her so she could afford her car payments?

As to the sitting around drinking tea, I have no idea what the OP’s CM is doing since OP herself has noted bruises on her own son, the CM doesn’t take the children out in summer but just has them playing in her garden (not sure what size that is), but “but not so much in winter”, so I state again, I’m not sure what the OP’s CM is doing, but it seems like there is not much control happening, reading between the lines of all the OP’s posts. That is why I asked what the OP’s CM is actually doing!

Please highlight where in my post I made statements about what the CM was doing! I simply asked questions because I don’t understand how that particular CM has one child who is described as being monstrous at times and another child who apparently screamed when she saw him! So again I ask, is this CM present or is she distracted by the TV, her phone, her friends, or what? I never said that this was all CMs but asked questions in relation to the OP’s CM!

I don’t think asking these questions is a bad thing, and I certainly don’t think that posting about “smacking backsides and pulling hair” is appropriate!

Please re-read the OP’s posts, the post I quoted and then my post, and read it within the context that I wrote it!

^Oh, and would you go to a parents house and ask them to keep paying you so that you could make your car payment? I gave my CM 4 weeks pay, the contract we had was for 2 weeks. And I’m ^unpleasant lol

There are people like myself who strongly believe in physical discipline, very strongly so, seeing what a complete mess the UK has turned into since it's been withdrawn, which has been the hallmark of all civilised societies for generations, until the last 10 years. So, sorry but not all of us agree with the woke bs that it's abuse. A quick smack on the behind is simple proper parenting and not abuse. Also, I used to bite as a child. My mum bit me once, it stopped me biting again. Same with a friend of mine. It's the fastest and most effective way to nip that behaviour in the bud regardless of the bs woke brigade.

badassbaby · 13/11/2022 10:37

MichaelFabricantWig · 13/11/2022 09:40

*doesn’t follow

It's amazing how you seem to think it's ok to pile onto childminders, suggesting all we do is sit around drinking tea and gossiping.
Your absolute ignorance of what our job involves is staggering.
Taking the kids to groups is about having the kids involved in socialising with other children, having them interact with other adults, teaching them to sit nicely at snack time.
The aim of a childminder is to have the children school ready.
You may see it as a second class job, I'd posit that anyone entrusted with a parents most precious person in the world, is actually to be valued.
Of course there are a few bad apples, as in every profession, but to tar all of us with the same brush is disingenuous and insulting.

Leafblowertime · 13/11/2022 10:37

@JennyNotFromTheBlock no. It’d abuse. Violence towards anyone is abuse. I’m horrified you think parenting involves abusing your own children and having violence in your home.

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 13/11/2022 11:01

Leafblowertime · 13/11/2022 10:37

@JennyNotFromTheBlock no. It’d abuse. Violence towards anyone is abuse. I’m horrified you think parenting involves abusing your own children and having violence in your home.

No it is not abuse, it is not violence. I'm not talking about belting or beating, stop the hyperbole.

Leafblowertime · 13/11/2022 11:03

Yeah it is violence and abuse and that’s why it’s Illegal in most eu countries and Scotland, wales etc.

minimising abuse doesn’t make it not abuse, when you hit its violence.and it should be totally outlawed in England too.

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 13/11/2022 11:05

Leafblowertime · 13/11/2022 11:03

Yeah it is violence and abuse and that’s why it’s Illegal in most eu countries and Scotland, wales etc.

minimising abuse doesn’t make it not abuse, when you hit its violence.and it should be totally outlawed in England too.

That is ignorant, it is not violent or abusive, which is why thankfully in most civilised countries it is still legal.

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 13/11/2022 11:07

Anyway my opinion on this is not for turning, and becomes more and more and more stronger the more I read how out of control children are in the UK compared to places like France. If anything, site has firmed my views so we will have to agree to disagree.

BadNomad · 13/11/2022 11:09

It's not violent or abusive because children don't feel pain? Does that only kick in when they turn 18 or something? Then it becomes wrong to hit, bite or pull someone's hair.

Ramble0n · 13/11/2022 14:03

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 13/11/2022 10:21

There are people like myself who strongly believe in physical discipline, very strongly so, seeing what a complete mess the UK has turned into since it's been withdrawn, which has been the hallmark of all civilised societies for generations, until the last 10 years. So, sorry but not all of us agree with the woke bs that it's abuse. A quick smack on the behind is simple proper parenting and not abuse. Also, I used to bite as a child. My mum bit me once, it stopped me biting again. Same with a friend of mine. It's the fastest and most effective way to nip that behaviour in the bud regardless of the bs woke brigade.

Smacking and biting a 2 year old child is abuse.