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Thread 19 From Trussterfuck to Sunakered

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DuncinToffee · 07/11/2022 19:17

And so it continues

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L1ttledrummergirl · 14/11/2022 12:29

This government is sick. It's gone way beyond a joke and is decidedly unfunny.

I just wish the lot of them would fuck off. I don't want to hear about them, I don't want to see them, I just want the country to run smoothly and well with everything working as it should be.

They have failed, they have stolen enough from the people, financially and otherwise. They are not trusted as they are proven to be untrustworthy and disliked because they are behaving in a disgusting manner.

We need a government that puts the people first, not the rich corporations that buy their integrity. They sold their souls to the devil could wealth and the rest of us are paying the price. Every MP who claims to have confidence is this shit storm is implicated.

I wish they would all fuck off.

Notonthestairs · 14/11/2022 13:58

Urgh. I've been unwell for the last week but it doesn't look like I've missed much. I suppose this is the lull before the storm on Thursday.

I have noted that the BBC have reported that London has lost its place as the top European stock market. France is now leading.

"Former Bank of England MPC member: "The UK economy...has been permanently damaged by Brexit. It's reduced the economy's potential output significantly, eroded business investment. If we hadn't had Brexit we probably wouldn't be talking about an austerity budget this week."

twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1592144204599558152?s=46&t=0yrL7k9xSV0BA7qOZCry7w

Here is the Bloomberg interview-

The UK economy has been ‘permanently damaged by Brexit’, says former BOE policymaker Michael Saunders in an exclusive interview with @lizzzburden trib.al/sUs3Ygt

twitter.com/bloombergtv/status/1592109834664648704?s=46&t=0yrL7k9xSV0BA7qOZCry7w

DuncinToffee · 14/11/2022 14:03

I was just going to share the same Notonthestairs, so much Brexit winning Angry

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Notonthestairs · 14/11/2022 14:09

If only politicians were honest enough to acknowledge the problem.

Brexit has made us worse off and will mean increased taxes and larger spending cuts.

There is no easy route out of the mess but ignoring a significant underlying issue does the nation a huge disservice.

DuncinToffee · 14/11/2022 14:15

And here is Sunak re Raab

Following multiple reports that Dominic Raab repeatedly bullied and harassed his staff, Rishi Sunak says that the he "does not recognise this characterisation" of his Deputy and continues to have full confidence in him.

Raab is on PMQs duty this week..

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the80sweregreat · 14/11/2022 14:15

The lib Dems went on a ticket in 2019 of rejoining the EU and they didn't get anywhere then
Unless there is a ' rejoin' party starting up anytime soon , I doubt anyone will start telling the truth to anyone as it's just a controversial subject and people are not willing to be told the truth. I mentioned to a remainer there should be another referendum and they were against it !
Mind you, the current situation doesn't really affect them much ( at the moment )
I can't see how people can get around this one!

DuncinToffee · 14/11/2022 14:18

If politicians were honest they would have to admit to lying about Brexit in the first place and that leave voters were essentially conned into it.

Not going to happen.

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DowningStreetParty · 14/11/2022 14:43

I’m a remainer. I think each of the main parties should agree a manifesto position on rejoin, so there’s an effective re-ref every GE. I’m beyond gutted there’s no rejoin party to vote for.

the80sweregreat · 14/11/2022 14:47

What a 'rejoin party' would need is a big personality to be its leader .
Someone who can get the message across without alienating people.
I can't see it happening in time for the next election

Blossomtoes · 14/11/2022 14:58

I can’t see it happening any time in the next decade.

L1ttledrummergirl · 14/11/2022 15:00

I'm still not convinced that the problems are because of Brexit. By the government handling of brexit yes, by their determination to use it as a way to milk the country dry, yes, by the mismanagement and theft of the countries assets yes.

With the right government putting the people of the country first then I believe that Brexit could work. I can't see the British people voting for any party that wants to rejoin, in my opinion this was the reason for the last conservative win- they were the ones saying they could get Brexit done and public opinion hasn't changed that much.

HelensToenail · 14/11/2022 15:05

Most recent YouGov opinion poll

64% think Brexit 'going badly'

25% think Brexit 'going well'

borntobequiet · 14/11/2022 15:21

Blossomtoes · 14/11/2022 14:58

I can’t see it happening any time in the next decade.

I can’t see the EU even considering it.

Notonthestairs · 14/11/2022 15:25

Brexit was one of the reasons for the Conservatives winning in 2019. Oven ready deal gibberish.

If there was a way to make Brexit work I'd like to see it.

What I do see is politicians too frightened to bring it up for fear of alienating voters which, given a hefty wedge of the population didn't vote for it anyway, is nonsense.

pointythings · 14/11/2022 15:25

@L1ttledrummergirl how would you see a Brexit that actually works for the people of the UK? Because without membership of the CU and SM, there is no such thing.

borntobequiet · 14/11/2022 15:26

And there is no way Brexit could have “worked” in the sense of giving us all the economic advantages of being an EU member with the huge worldwide trade, economic, cultural and social benefits.
Nothing any government could have done could have compensated for those losses.

DuncinToffee · 14/11/2022 15:40

Different formats of brexit could have worked but they involved freedom of movement and even in a controlled way that was a no go zone.

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DowningStreetParty · 14/11/2022 15:45

I agree that it’s at least ten years, if not a generation away before we can rejoin, unfortunately. Too much pride, and the need for personal acknowledgment of lies and hugely wasting money are at stake.
Meanwhile, taking back control is ringing pretty hollow. Be great to have a rejoin party so we can start the grovelling to get back in soon though.

London loses position as most valuable European stock market
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63623502

Lonelycrab · 14/11/2022 16:18

Also agree it’s not happening anytime soon. Regardless of any growing support for the idea in this country, they’re not got going to trust us for probably a generation at least. All that childish ukip behaviour at the European Parliament, and the tone and rhetoric in general since the vote. So it wouldn’t even be on the table even if we wanted it to be, I don’t think.

Besides, perhaps an extended spell out in the cold is the only way you’ll really deal with the English exceptionalism that lies at the root of it all.

L1ttledrummergirl · 14/11/2022 16:41

I don't know is the honest answer. My understanding was that people (brexiteers) wanted more controlled freedom of movement rather than none. Something that struck me was that people were happy with trade agreements like the single market but not so happy with the perceived input into the giant that the eu had become.
The uncontrolled migration here was causing waged to be kept artificially low, some control could have allowed wages to rise whilst still allowing people to work in industries that needed it, e g nhs.

People wanted, and still want to trade with the eu, they want the strict controls on food and quality so parity could have been maintained. This needed to be framed differently so that businesses had the choice of meeting particular requirements and being able to trade, so inspections and certification. If they chose to leave that market then they may be able to change some standards. This would allow some relaxation but parity could be met on the really important things.

Vet standards for example so the standard of food remains high. We could lower standards to allow the lower quality cheaper food from America, but is this really better for the people here, or the wealthiest peoples pockets?

My impression was that many British people felt that their country was being moulded into part of a bigger system and they felt their individuality as a people was disappearing. I've heard it described as play dough- you start off with tubs of bright vibrant colours and finish up with brown sludge when they are mixed.

Unfortunately for all of the talk around Brexit, there was no debate. Too many people would shout each other down and become entrenched in their views, throwing insults and shutting down the conversation for anything useful to be achieved. The fact that views are still polarised years after Boris got Brexit done Hmm shows it's a debate, and by that proper discussion that needs to be had, where people actually listen. Decisions need to be taken that work for the population, not the rich.

It's a bit like the next budget, put the population first, do what's right and the country will respond. Keep lying and stealing and at some point there will be a reckoning, I don't know when, or how but it will happen.

People were angry at MEPs taking money from the EU with not a lot to show for it, they are now not happy with the tories giving taxpayers money to their mates with not a lot to show. Similar to the oligarchs in Russia. They just haven't worked out why they aren't happy yet, I'm not sure what happens when they do. Who do they blame then?

(Please don't flame me, these are my observations, disagree if I'm wrong but nicely, we all seem to be on the same team).Grin

L1ttledrummergirl · 14/11/2022 16:41

Wow, that was an essay, sorry.

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 14/11/2022 16:46

the80sweregreat · 14/11/2022 14:47

What a 'rejoin party' would need is a big personality to be its leader .
Someone who can get the message across without alienating people.
I can't see it happening in time for the next election

I heard there's a Big Dog out there looking for a bone to sink his teeth into ...

Thatsasmashingblouseyouvegoton · 14/11/2022 16:48

L1ttledrummergirl · 14/11/2022 15:00

I'm still not convinced that the problems are because of Brexit. By the government handling of brexit yes, by their determination to use it as a way to milk the country dry, yes, by the mismanagement and theft of the countries assets yes.

With the right government putting the people of the country first then I believe that Brexit could work. I can't see the British people voting for any party that wants to rejoin, in my opinion this was the reason for the last conservative win- they were the ones saying they could get Brexit done and public opinion hasn't changed that much.

By every conceivable metric is bad for the UK.

There are NO positives.

God knows brexshitters have had years to give us all the sunlit uplands...and yet...(silence)

pointythings · 14/11/2022 16:48

@L1ttledrummergirl but everything that was in your post is about what people felt - it was nothing to do with the reality. The evidence showed a completely different story about EU immigration suppressing wages. The evidence showed that EU immigrants are net contributors to the UK economy. But people didn't want evidence, they wanted to keep feeding the xenophobia and British exceptionalism that the likes of the Mail spooned into them every day.

Freedom of movement was always freedom to work - it wasn't the EU's fault that the UK didn't have systems in place to track who was in the country and deport people who were not paying their way. People didn't want to accept that either.

And the whole thing about 'individuality of people' disappearing is just xenophobic bullshit. I have no respect for people who feel that way because there was never any threat to British values, culture and tradition. Again, that was all fed by the right wing press.

Thatsasmashingblouseyouvegoton · 14/11/2022 16:49

Feelz and sovrinnity innit?