Thread 19 From Trussterfuck to Sunakered

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And so it continues

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Dh is a conservative voter ( 'small c') and rarely raises to my taunts about the state of the country
We've had to agree to disagree.
His late parents were council house very working class conservatives, the worst kind as they tend to be more vocal , more right wing.
It's not easy sometimes.

My husband used to vote Conservative, I can't pinpoint when he changed but probably in the last ten years, certainly by Brexit he was voting tactically against the Conservatives.

Just shows even strong Conservative voters in their 60s and 70s can change.

Wish mine would @ancientgran!

For me it's the lies and corruption that bother me most.

I really don't want a party who can't own their mistakes leading us through a global recession.

We saw what that did through covid.

I don't have any belief any party will get it right 100% of the time.

But I want a party who will look at evidence and change if needed. And not like the Tory's have - after the horse has bolted.

They don't have any clue what they are doing or where they are heading as a party. So therefore have no hope of leading the country forward.

They are more interested in party politics before the countries needs.

I used to be a financial services complaint handler and the one thing I learnt is that people happily accept mistakes happen. As you say, nobody expects 100% right all the time. What matters is how you handle it once the mistake is pointed out

Acknowledge what's gone wrong. Apologise and mean it. Show you mean it by doing everything you can to fix it. You will be forgiven, even for major cockups.

But this lot of crooks are incapable of doing any of that. So the anger grows.

MPs have been asked to say whether they intend to stand in the next election - the deadline is 5th December. I think 7 have already said they are leaving politics. It will be interesting to see who else decides to step down

Unfortunately it looks like my useless Tory MP of 30 years is not standing down because for the first time in 30 years he is planning on opening a constituency office and holding surgeries.
He has previously held one in a blue moon in a hotel or wherever but to have not had one for decades is appalling

He is only doing this because he is realising he might not get the votes he has done in the past. Running scared

Rayner has a list of questions to ask the Government about Medpro/Mone.

The Tweet outlines a few of the them.

twitter.com/pickardje/status/1596898272336977920?s=46&t=Fgvg15vjqJ1MPSoErXdq6w

Maybe it's coincidence but I've seen more about Farage/the Reform Party in the last couple of days than before.

"Some interesting stats on Nigel Farage's favourability among different segments of voters from today's Lord Ashcroft report:

• 39% of people who voted Tory in 2019 are positive towards Farage (41% negative).

• As are 36% of current Tory supporters
• And 36% of Leave voters.

https://twitter.com/jmagosh/status/1596895421317935104?s=46&t=Sunday Times

We know how the Conservatives respond to pressure from Farage - they go right.

In the Sunday Times

There is also concern at the top of the Tory party that sleaze cases which are still in the pipeline, serious enough to force at least one MP in a heavily Leave-voting area to step down in the coming months, could open the door to Farage winning a high-profile by-election.

Allies of the former Brexit Party leader, however, say he is more likely to become a talismanic campaigner for Reform the rebadged Brexit Party led by Richard Tice. “If Reform gets 10 per cent at the general election we are completely f*ed,” a Tory party official remarked, pointing to polling that suggests a Labour landslide would result."
Meanwhile last weekends whispering of Switzerland trading arrangements have stirred up ERG section of the Conservatives making it harder for Sunak to find a compromise over NI protocol or the Retained EU Law Bill.
(Which I admit I had forgotten was proposed in the first place by Mogg.)

"Senior civil servants have warned that the sheer volume of work required is impossible to complete in the time available, a view shared by several cabinet ministers."

"While Sunak and Grant Shapps, the business secretary, are aware of the problems, senior sources say that after the “Swiss roll-icking” last weekend it is politically impossible to delay the deadline. “We just have to grin and bear it,” a political adviser confirmed."

Essentially they've accepted there will be a giant possibly expensive (in more ways than 1) mess but they don't have the internal support to make the changes for it to work.

Tail wagging the dog once again. And we know where that got us last time.

So many people on Bravermans FB say they've moved to reform because she's failing on immigration.

When Bravermans fan club don't think she's far right enough you know there's problems!

Maybe it's coincidence

I doubt that very much. Both Johnson and Farage out and about is not a coincidence.

When Bravermans fan club don't think she's far right enough you know there's problems!

For sure.

I am trying to feel hopeful that people have reached the point when they will not just accept the Tory in fighting and putting party before country any more.
I do know of one life long older Tory voter who voted Labour for the first time in the local council elections !
I also believe that the amount of proposed strike actions and ballots are indicitave of a population who have had enough.

I also believe that the amount of proposed strike actions and ballots are indicitave of a population who have had enough.

And the level of support for them. The government must be furious that public support is running so high.

Agree.

It's very hard to beat Labour with "you support the strikes" stick to make them out to be terrible to the public when the public support them too!

I really hope so.

I have probably read too many comments from Tory supporters celebrating Hancock's success in the jungle because it 'upsets the right people' to feel optimistic.

They are correct in that she is failing on immigration. That was always going to be the case, immigration was never going to be at levels and colour of people acceptable to her fan base think is acceptable, whilst complaining that they can't find a plumber or care worker. And the more one tries to restrict immigration, the more publicity those crossing the channel in small boats gets reported the more they will froth.

All that makes Starmer's comments about cutting immigration even more disappointing.

At this rate Labour will end up losing the next election because of its stance on its relationship with the EU and we'll be stuck in Forever Toryland. His stance on this is cowardly and shortsighted.

"And the more one tries to restrict immigration, the more publicity those crossing the channel in small boats gets reported the more they will froth."

I agree with this. We can't have a sensible discussion about immigration (the systems, workforce planning etc etc) until politicians and the media stop using it to prove their RW credentials.

I am sure this applies also to teachers and nurses salaries

Cash lost to fraud and error from Rishi Sunak’s Covid schemes could pay the salary of every police officer in Britain, it can be revealed - hours after a Tory minister complained there "simply isn't the money" for a proper pay rise
twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1596919531309387776?t=TXJ95bTT7JCH1vq0J3ZX8w&s=19

Interesting:

Tucked in to Times article about the Armed Forces medics being brought in to support NHS during nurses strikes -

"Ministers plan to wait for public sentiment to turn against striking nurses as the toll of disruption mounts over the winter, reasoning that most families will ultimately be affected. “This is going to affect a lot of people and it could have a big impact on a lot of them and I think in the end they will get fed up with it,” a government source said.
The 17 per cent pay rise demanded by nurses is seen as helpful to the government case, with ministers finding it easier to argue this is unreasonable than they would have done if nurses had asked for between 8 and 10 per cent. “If that’s what they’d asked for we would find this a lot harder,” the government source said."
Reads to me like the Government have actively decided to let the public struggle than engage with the RCN.

There are 46800 nursing, midwifery and health visitor vacancies.
1 in 9 nurses resigning this year.
The Government are already compromising patient safety.

There's plenty of Labour supporters commenting as well, I think lots of us understand the difference between a general election and light entertainment.

WTF, they're planning to have the public get angry and turn on nurses? This is considered good governance? Fucking evil is what it is.

Also in The Times but somewhat hidden - shortage of EU doctors (4,000) because of Brexit.

Also full splash on how Hancock has apparently rehabilitated the Tory party.

They said they would bring in the army to help schools during Covid. They said that Troops to Teachers would solve teacher recruitment. Neither of these things happened.