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Ukraine Invasion: Part 34

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MagicFox · 23/10/2022 21:29

Welcome all πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

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blueshoes · 25/10/2022 18:51

K4fkaesque · 25/10/2022 18:41

They have now done a whole load of backpedalling, apparently a "Staffer released the statement without their approval":

twitter.com/JenniferShutt/status/1584948762920865793

It is good that the 30 democrats walked back their statement. I respect that. Support for Ukraine still strong.

minsmum · 25/10/2022 18:59

mobile.twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1584864946063826944 Ukrainian children singing in shelter during air raid

minsmum · 25/10/2022 19:05

mobile.twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1584919164971524097 in memory of the unknown Russian looter

MissConductUS · 25/10/2022 19:10

K4fkaesque · 25/10/2022 18:41

They have now done a whole load of backpedalling, apparently a "Staffer released the statement without their approval":

twitter.com/JenniferShutt/status/1584948762920865793

That's such rubbish. They sent the letter to Biden. They obviously thought that releasing it would benefit them politically. When it turned out to be unpopular, they blame it on the staff. Cowards.

RedToothBrush · 25/10/2022 19:36

Michael MacKay AT mhmck
Yesterday, the Armed Forces of Ukraine announced the liberation of four settlements on the Lysychans'k-Kreminna-Svatove battlefront.

There are several advances by Ukrainian forces today.

The head of the presidential administration posted "There will be good news soon."

So suggestion is Svatove is source of positivity.

RedToothBrush · 25/10/2022 19:44

(((Tendar))) AT Tendar 10hr ago
Heavy battles near Svatove. The Russian forward posts in Kovalivka and Novovodyane are getting hammered. When they fall Russians will have hard time to stop the encirclement of Svatove. Overall, I say something big is developing there. Standby!

Leonid Π₯Π’ Ragozin AT leonidragozin 10hr ago
Russian military propaganda project WarGonzo confirms the Ukrainians have secured a bridgehead on the eastern bank of the Zherebets river outing Svatove, Luhansk region. Svatove-Kreminna road now under Ukrainian fire control.

notimagain · 25/10/2022 20:00

@MissConductUS

I don't know if you've seen this, but one of the recent Russian aircraft crashes was due to the ground crew giving the pilot a tank of nitrogen, not oxygen.
Plane crash in Irkutsk: pilots fainted due to nitrogen in oxygen tanks
How's that for a third-world level of aviation competence?"

I'm afraid I know of it happening once this side of the pond, many years ago, in a (fighter) simulator...fortunately the simulator instructor sat in the control room was quick off the mark when the pilot stopped responding, wnet over to the "box" popped the lid and found the pilot hypoxic...

Wrong gas in the bottle....Murphy's law etc....

notimagain · 25/10/2022 20:07

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 25/10/2022 14:48

How often do seagulls get into jet engines?

I'm afraid not at all uncommon, they're a menace around airfields, especially coastal ones.

I've seen one go down the intake of a colleagues aircraft, and then there's this one (which sadly resulted in fatalities) where the aircraft hit at least 77..

aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19801117-1

Plenty more to be found if you go back through the archives...

www.cambridge.org/core/journals/environmental-conservation/article/abs/gulls-and-aircraft/31B6443489679C2F152C8258B46E5838

ScrollingLeaves · 25/10/2022 21:01

RedToothBrush Β· Today 16:31
Ben Wallace stays

What a relief. Let’s hope everything will run smoothly in his relationship with Rishi so there is some stability.

^Ijsbear* your picture 15:05 of the ducks with Ukrainian flags posted in response to the question about how often, or how likely it is, that seagulls can get into a [Russian] plane’s engine, is wonderfully funny.

blueshoes · 25/10/2022 21:12

notimagain · 25/10/2022 20:07

I'm afraid not at all uncommon, they're a menace around airfields, especially coastal ones.

I've seen one go down the intake of a colleagues aircraft, and then there's this one (which sadly resulted in fatalities) where the aircraft hit at least 77..

aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19801117-1

Plenty more to be found if you go back through the archives...

www.cambridge.org/core/journals/environmental-conservation/article/abs/gulls-and-aircraft/31B6443489679C2F152C8258B46E5838

@notimagain thanks for the info. That is interesting.

77 bird strikes, yikes! That is a lot of dead gull. I don't know much about military craft but I do love the Nimrod. Sad that one did not make it, along with 2 fatalities.

ScrollingLeaves · 25/10/2022 21:28

notimagain - Today 20:07

After I had read of the plane crashes caused respectively by the pilot breathing nitrogen instead of oxygen, and seagulls in the engine, I lazily and dismissively thought those were made up stories.

It is privilege to have been better informed by you than I ever would have been had I been left to my own devices. Thank you for the details you often supply on this thread.

Igotjelly · 25/10/2022 21:28

Sunak has spoken with Zelenskyy, glad he’s setting his stall out early.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 25/10/2022 21:55

notimagain · 25/10/2022 20:07

I'm afraid not at all uncommon, they're a menace around airfields, especially coastal ones.

I've seen one go down the intake of a colleagues aircraft, and then there's this one (which sadly resulted in fatalities) where the aircraft hit at least 77..

aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19801117-1

Plenty more to be found if you go back through the archives...

www.cambridge.org/core/journals/environmental-conservation/article/abs/gulls-and-aircraft/31B6443489679C2F152C8258B46E5838

Thank you! I really did want to know, but didn't know what to search on. (The word "birdstrike" had escaped me at the time.)

RedToothBrush · 25/10/2022 22:50

NOΓ‹L AT NOELreports
There are reports that the town of #Popivka is liberated by the AFU. Popivka is situated just west of Svatove right next to the P66 highway.

Ukraine Invasion: Part 34
blueshoes · 25/10/2022 22:57

@RedToothBrush your updates of each new town and village being liberated by UAF makes my day. So happy for the inhabitants.

Ijsbear · 25/10/2022 23:09

Reports that Russian forces are reinforcing kherson with troops and construction tho the troops are poor quality, experienced troops have left

RedToothBrush · 25/10/2022 23:50

blueshoes · 25/10/2022 22:57

@RedToothBrush your updates of each new town and village being liberated by UAF makes my day. So happy for the inhabitants.

I have to say the last couple of days I've been more hesitant over how much progress they've been making as it has seemed to have stalled around Svatove, but the does seem to be a growing mood of optimism.

It sounds like the Russians have thrown waves and waves of reinforcements into counterattacks in the area which have really slowed things down. Mindless, wasteful cannon fodder counterattacks.

But yes, they are edging closer and once they've got past the road, in theory Svatove can't hold long.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 26/10/2022 01:02

From Wartranslated:

Day 244, October 25th. Summary of Arestovych and Feygin daily broadcast.
Posted on 25 October 2022

πŸ”₯Battlefield overview
No significant changes on the frontlines, mostly tactical movement in the majority of regions. Russia is trying to stage some counteroffensive action near Svatove, Donetsk & Kherson region using massive numbers of mobilized soldiers for political gain. Yet, this strategy will fail.

πŸ”₯Svatove-Kreminna
Despite Russian attempts to fortify and move mobilized troops to Svatove, Russian sources are reporting major problems in the defence effort & advances from Ukrainian forces. Similar movements of Ukrainian forces are reported near Kreminna.

πŸ”₯Bahmut
The Ukrainian army repealed Russian attacks and managed to push Russians away from Bahmut. The Russian command is sending waves of soldiers (mobilized, Wagner, prisoners recruited by Wagner), until either the mobilized or the artillery shells will run out.

πŸ”₯Kherson
Russia is transferring the mobilized soldiers to Kherson to attempt some counteroffensive actions in the Mykolaiv and Kryvyi Rih directions. Yet, those are destined to fail. Nevertheless, as the Russian command is not planning to leave Kherson, the battle for the liberation of the region and Kherson city will be difficult and might take time.

πŸ”₯Russian mobilization
As mentioned by several experts, including US Gen. Ben Hodges, Russia is trying to buy time with the Russian bodies. There are already over 1000 KIA mobilized and many wounded. With this level of conflict intensity, soon every Russian citizen will be affected or will know someone who died or lost a loved one in the war in Ukraine.
The morale, social contract & the trust of Russian people in their government has been broken by military failure and general mobilization.
Mishustin, PM of RF, has declared that the economy will need to further β€œmobilize” and support the war effort.
Why do the Russian people tolerate it? People are taken from the streets & sent to the front without training or equipment. The mobilization, the loss of life, the ruined economy – the Russian government does not care at all about its people. Any other nation would have already revolted against the criminal regime rather than dying for it.

πŸ”₯Attacks on Ukrainian cities, Iranian drones & Israel
The efficiency of Iranian drones is decreasing as Ukraine is getting the weapons & practice in counteracting the drone attacks. As Russia is willing to attack civilians over military targets, it’s impossible to protect the whole territory of Ukraine or any other country. Therefore, the Israel PM Lapid has declared that Israel will present proof of Iran supplying drones to Russia. Israel is in a tough spot, as they need, first of all, to protect themselves as they can be attacked at any moment from any side. On the other hand, it is evident that whatever Iran received from Russia as payment for the drones puts Israel’s resistance at serious risk.
Nevertheless, Israel continues to supply Ukraine with medical equipment and other supplies. Moreover, now Israel & Ukraine have a common enemy and a ground for cooperation. Any future military assistance will be welcomed but may remain private.

πŸ”₯Russian claims of a potential β€œdirty bomb” attack
Russia keeps pedaling their own unsubstantiated claims of Ukraine preparing to use a β€œdirty bomb” in its own territory. Russian representatives in the UN keep spamming the council with this nonsense claim.

πŸ”₯Weapons transfer from Germany & France
Germany & France continue to send some weapons to Ukraine, which is good but still not enough. The low number of equipment donated reflects previous errors in security assessment and planning. The EU believed in β€œRussian atonement & transformation” after the fall of the USSR, slashing European Army funding. Meanwhile, Russia shot their own people with tanks in Moscow in 1991, then in Chechnya, and eventually invaded Georgia and started a continental war in Ukraine.
Germany has already realised their mistake and has assigned record funding to revitalise its own army.

πŸ”₯Nuclear weapons and other empty threats
The Pentagon does not see any signs of Russia preparing for a nuclear attack at this moment. At the same time, the US said that Russia keeps fulfilling its obligations and reports nuclear forces training as per agreement.
After the Samarkand summit, it became clear that China & India don’t want to support Russian war efforts & will not tolerate the use of nuclear weapons. Moreover, a constant repeat of nuclear threats from the Russian pundits coupled with official denial and Russia resorting to mobilization, terror attacks with drones, etc, are signs that Russia is not planning to use nukes but is searching for another solution to force negotiations.

πŸ”₯G20 summit & Russia begging for negotiations
Fearing humiliation or due to poor health, Mishustin may attend the G20 summit instead of Putin, trying to beg for direct negotiations between Russia and the West.
To those still calling for negotiations and discussions with Putin’s criminal regime, the essential questions are β€œWhat do you want to negotiate with Russia? To ask Russia to kill only half of Ukrainians?”
US congresspeople have retracted their letter calling for negotiations less than 24h after it was sent to Biden. Similarly, the European Commission and EU parliament have a complete consensus regarding their support of Ukraine and the continuation of sanctions against the Russian Federation.

πŸ”₯The myth of Russian β€œsuperpower” & European β€œweakness”
The Russian failure in Ukraine has not only shattered the myth of Russian β€œsuperpower” but also has shown that European values are not an empty sound – Europe can & will rise in defence of freedom & democracy.
In particular, China is very unhappy with Russia for waking up & uniting Europe against military foreign aggression. Europeans are changing their economic & military strategy. The support of Ukraine is a crucial component of European security & prosperity, as Ukraine is protecting Europe from the Russian menace & the fall of Ukraine would put at risk the rest of the continent.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 26/10/2022 01:08

Kadyrov going massively off message here, it's not about 'liberation' and 'de-nazification' anymore but a naked land grab and 'jihad':

Ramzan Kadyrov goes on a rant, promising to keep destroying and burning Ukrainians alive, declaring in a text message a Jihad against Satanists in the West. Asks self-respecting Muslims to start acting in Europe. Promises β€œgood news” soon to the Russians.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1584990975973216258?s=61&t=ej1_YGz5BmL-sMNW4rWHoQ

MagicFox · 26/10/2022 07:06

Thanks for the round up @DesdamonasHandkerchief

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MagicFox · 26/10/2022 07:12

Something to be aware of and prepare ourselves for: there will be lots of sabre rattling around this.

@pararamtadam "Probably, from October 26 to 29, the exercises of the strategic nuclear forces of the Russian Federation will be held. NOTAM's were issued for ICBM launches from Plesetsk and SLBMs from the coast of the Kola Peninsula to the Kura missile range."

@thelookoutn "A nice map showing the expected SLBM(s) from the Barents, and ICBM(s) from Plesetsk, to Kura, for the live-fire part of Grom.

Grom is a normal Russian exercise, held annually, but these aren't normal times.

Expect Russia to exploit this for fear-mongering propaganda."

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Igotjelly · 26/10/2022 07:13

MagicFox · 26/10/2022 07:12

Something to be aware of and prepare ourselves for: there will be lots of sabre rattling around this.

@pararamtadam "Probably, from October 26 to 29, the exercises of the strategic nuclear forces of the Russian Federation will be held. NOTAM's were issued for ICBM launches from Plesetsk and SLBMs from the coast of the Kola Peninsula to the Kura missile range."

@thelookoutn "A nice map showing the expected SLBM(s) from the Barents, and ICBM(s) from Plesetsk, to Kura, for the live-fire part of Grom.

Grom is a normal Russian exercise, held annually, but these aren't normal times.

Expect Russia to exploit this for fear-mongering propaganda."

Yes agree. It’s good that they’ve followed their international obligations and informed the US and NATO in advance.

MagicFox · 26/10/2022 07:15

@randcorporation "Fear shouldn't drive the response to Russian nuclear bluster, say RAND experts.

"If Putin is still a rational actor, there are plenty of reasons why he would want to avoid nuclear use. And if he is not, then … backing off may not make any difference."

Article here: "Why Putin's Nuclear Gambit Is a Huge Mistake"
www.rand.org/blog/2022/10/why-putins-nuclear-gambit-is-a-huge-mistake.html

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notimagain · 26/10/2022 07:26

NOTAM's were issued..

In case anyone is wondering "NOTAM" is a somewhat quaint and not now PC acronym which translates as "Notice to Airman".

Basically navigation warnings - warnings of closed airspace, hazards to aircraft etc, which get promulgated via a worldwide distribution system to all those involved in the operational side of aviation, not just the military or NATO, etc.

So yes indeed the Russians are still complying with at least some international obligations.

ScrollingLeaves · 26/10/2022 08:51

DesdamonasHandkerchief Β· Today 01:02
Thank you very much for the roundup.
Those waves of mobilised Russian soldiers
being senti into Kherson and Bahmut will mean a terrible number of deaths on both sides.

Kadyrov has publicly let us know what we knew already.

MagicFoxΒ· Today 07:12
Grom is a normal Russian exercise, held annually, but these aren't normal times.

Expect Russia to exploit this for fear mongering propaganda."

Thank you for the fire warning MagicFox