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Ukraine Invasion: Part 34

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MagicFox · 23/10/2022 21:29

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DesdamonasHandkerchief · 24/10/2022 01:09

It is reported that with a direct missile strike on Syrian territory, Israel destroyed a plant for the assembling of Iranian kamikaze drones.

The strike was carried out near the Dimas military airport in the western part of Damascus province.

www.syriahr.com/en/272927/

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 24/10/2022 01:24

Why the Shoigu 'diplomacy' may not be good news:

twitter.com/nigelgd1/status/1584282356252577792?s=61&t=zEScNXHPd3kREvRy4V2EFw

MissConductUS · 24/10/2022 01:45

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 24/10/2022 01:09

It is reported that with a direct missile strike on Syrian territory, Israel destroyed a plant for the assembling of Iranian kamikaze drones.

The strike was carried out near the Dimas military airport in the western part of Damascus province.

www.syriahr.com/en/272927/

I wouldn't read too much into this. Given the location and the headline's wording, "Missiles destroy drones manufacturing equipment of Iranian-backed militia", these were likely drones Hezbollah was assembling for use against Israel, not drones for export to Russia.

Israel hits Hezbollah targets with some regularity.

BoreOfWhabylon · 24/10/2022 02:20

Thanks MagicFox and everyone.

Natsku · 24/10/2022 06:48

Thanks for the new thread

Skidamarinkadinkadink · 24/10/2022 07:06

Pmk

EdithStourton · 24/10/2022 07:43

Just checking in and saying thanks to the knowledgeable regulars.

Thereisnolight · 24/10/2022 08:09

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RedToothBrush · 24/10/2022 08:17

MissConductUS · 24/10/2022 01:45

I wouldn't read too much into this. Given the location and the headline's wording, "Missiles destroy drones manufacturing equipment of Iranian-backed militia", these were likely drones Hezbollah was assembling for use against Israel, not drones for export to Russia.

Israel hits Hezbollah targets with some regularity.

An Ukrainian official said off record last night that the Israelis had given information to help deal with the drone problem.

That came a day after rumours that the group of Iranians sent to Crimea to help train Russians in how to use the drones effectively had been killed.

The two rumours may be false or unconnected but they do fit nicely together all the same. And the mere fact there was a Ukrainian talking about unofficial Israeli action albeit off record is striking enough in its own right.

Igotjelly · 24/10/2022 08:53

news.sky.com/story/ukraine-latest-news-putin-bombs-energy-facilities-across-ukraine-as-30-of-power-stations-wiped-out-12541713?postid=4725707#liveblog-body

ISW think it’s β€˜unlikely that the Kremlin are preparing a false-flag dirty bomb attack and that the flurry of β€˜diplomacy’ was probably intended to slow Western support for Ukraine and sow doubt.

Igotjelly · 24/10/2022 09:07

In full from ISW:

The Kremlin is unlikely to be preparing an imminent false-flag dirty bomb attack. Shoigu’s claims further a longstanding Russian information campaign. The Kremlin has repeatedly claimed that Western states will help Ukraine conduct a false-flag WMD attack since the earliest stages of its invasion of Ukraine in February. The Russian Ministry of Defense claimed it had information the US was β€œpreparing provocations to accuse the Russian Armed Forces of using chemical, biological, or tactical nuclear weapons” in April. Putin claimed in his pre-invasion speech on February 24 that Ukraine was preparing for a nuclear attack against Russia, and Russian state disinformation outlets repeatedly claimed Western states were supporting Ukraine’s development of nuclear weapons and planning false-flag attacks.

Shoigu’s claims likely do not portend Russian preparations to use non-strategic nuclear weapons in Ukraine either. ISW previously stated on September 30 that β€œISW cannot forecast the point at which Putin would decide to use nuclear weapons. Such a decision would be inherently personal, but Putin’s stated red lines for nuclear weapon use have already been crossed in this war several times over without any Russian nuclear escalation.”

Russia does not β€œneed,” under formal Russian nuclear doctrine, a further event to justify nuclear weapons use.[7] Ukraine is not apparently on the verge of tripping some new Russian redline, on the other hand, that might cause Putin to use non-strategic nuclear weapons against it at this time. Shoigu’s comments are thus unlikely to presage a nuclear terror attack against one or more major Ukrainian population centers or critical infrastructure in hopes of shocking Ukraine into surrender or the West into cutting off aid to Ukraine. Such attacks would be highly unlikely to force Ukraine or the West to surrender, as Ukraine’s government and people have repeatedly demonstrated their will to continue fighting, and the West would find it very challenging simply to surrender in the face of such horrific acts because of the precedent such surrender would set.
Shoigu’s callsβ€”and Russian state media’s amplification of false dirty bomb threatsβ€”are therefore likely intended to intimidate Western states into cutting or limiting support for Ukraine as Russia faces continued military setbacks and the likely loss of western Kherson by the end of the year. ISW has assessed since May that Putin seeks to force Ukraine to accept his terms and deter continued Western support for Ukraine through nuclear brinksmanship.[8] The recipients of Shoigu’s calls are also notable. The Kremlin has repeatedly framed the United States and the United Kingdom as Ukraine’s primary backers and the enablers of what it claims are aggressive policies toward Russia, while France and Turkey have (to varying degrees) framed themselves as mediators in the conflict. Shoigu’s round of calls was likely further Russian saber-rattling to intimidate Ukraine’s Western supporters and possibly widen fissures within the NATO alliance, not condition setting for imminent nuclear use.

ScrollingLeaves · 24/10/2022 09:25

Excerpt from Sky News about the suspending of RT television’s Krasovsky.
It is good the editor in chief has made this statement, though suspending him won’t be enough to mitigate for what he said.

^Margarita Simonyan, the Russian state-controlled news channel's editor-in-chief, said Mr Krasovsky had been suspended because of his "disgusting comments".
She added that no one at Russia Today shared his views.^

In a statement on the channel's website, Ms Simonyan added: "For the children of Ukraine, as well as the children of Donbas, and all other children, I wish that all this ends as soon as possible, and they can live and study in peace again - in the language they consider native."

Russia Today has been banned in many Western countries - including the UK - for its pro-war commentary.

ScrollingLeaves · 24/10/2022 09:28

Sorry, I had forgotten the Sky News link.

Russia Today presenter accused of inciting genocide after saying Ukrainian children should have been drowned - https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-latest-news-putin-bombs-energy-facilities-across-ukraine-as-30-of-power-stations-wiped-out-12541713?postid=4725462#liveblog-body

Nannylovesshopping · 24/10/2022 09:39

Thank you for new thread, so informative!

Naem · 24/10/2022 09:50

RedToothBrush · 24/10/2022 08:17

An Ukrainian official said off record last night that the Israelis had given information to help deal with the drone problem.

That came a day after rumours that the group of Iranians sent to Crimea to help train Russians in how to use the drones effectively had been killed.

The two rumours may be false or unconnected but they do fit nicely together all the same. And the mere fact there was a Ukrainian talking about unofficial Israeli action albeit off record is striking enough in its own right.

The second of these rumours was stated as fact on the Times of Israel website on October 21st:

  • "Ukrainian strikes in the past week against Russia’s ongoing invasion killed at least 10 Iranians, a Ukrainian official told Hebrew media on Friday."

www.timesofisrael.com/at-least-10-iranians-said-killed-by-ukraine-as-moscow-arms-ties-appear-to-mount/

Interestingly, there is nothing at all on the first and the last on air strikes on Syria is www.timesofisrael.com/syria-says-israeli-airstrikes-target-damascus-south/

Mb76 · 24/10/2022 10:47

Thank you for the new thread as always @MagicFox

Igotjelly · 24/10/2022 10:55

"Russia Today anchor Anton Krasovsky said was β€œreally embarrassed” after getting β€œcarried away” with his comments.

β€œWell, it happens. You’re on air, you get carried away, and you can’t stop. I ask for the forgiveness of everyone who was stunned by this,” he said."

We've all got a bit carried away at some point, I would suspect however that this hasn't meant suggesting fairly specifically how children should be murdered. These thoughts must be fairly deep rooted to so readily come to his mind.

RedToothBrush · 24/10/2022 11:04

Anton Gerashchenko AT Gerashchenko_en
Russian propagandists openly said they are planning to take away all cultural values they could from occupied Kherson - museum exhibits, monuments, theater assets, library books etc.

They already started - monuments to Suvorov and Ushakov have disappeared last night.

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 24/10/2022 13:06

Got carried away?! Best case, he is mentally deranged and needs immediate help but more likely he is a deeply evil man who needs locking away for life.

MissConductUS · 24/10/2022 15:47

This is the first article I've seen about American troops who have recently been forward deployed to Europe in case they are needed in Ukraine and as a deterrent to Ru aggression elsewhere.

US military forces 'fully prepared to cross into Ukraine

The 101st Airborne Division is about 20,000 troops. There were already 80,000 American troops already deployed in Europe. The three-minute video is well worth watching.

miceonabranch · 24/10/2022 16:03

Igotjelly · 24/10/2022 10:55

"Russia Today anchor Anton Krasovsky said was β€œreally embarrassed” after getting β€œcarried away” with his comments.

β€œWell, it happens. You’re on air, you get carried away, and you can’t stop. I ask for the forgiveness of everyone who was stunned by this,” he said."

We've all got a bit carried away at some point, I would suspect however that this hasn't meant suggesting fairly specifically how children should be murdered. These thoughts must be fairly deep rooted to so readily come to his mind.

Perhaps he should be sent to the Front now that he's unemployed. It might help to focus his mind a bit.

Hancox432 · 24/10/2022 16:48

What do we think of all the diplomatic calls happening lately. Another today with UK and Russian military chiefs regarding Russia accusations we are helping Ukraine make a dirty Bomb.

This call again was at the request of Russia. Are they playing to their home audience that they are the good guys who are under threat from the west. Do they believe in the whole dirty Bomb theory. Or are they just as worried about escalation now and are trying to keep these channels open. I just don't get it. 7 months with no diplomacy now all this happening in the last week. Can't work out if it's positive or worrying.

miceonabranch · 24/10/2022 17:56

Hancox432 · 24/10/2022 16:48

What do we think of all the diplomatic calls happening lately. Another today with UK and Russian military chiefs regarding Russia accusations we are helping Ukraine make a dirty Bomb.

This call again was at the request of Russia. Are they playing to their home audience that they are the good guys who are under threat from the west. Do they believe in the whole dirty Bomb theory. Or are they just as worried about escalation now and are trying to keep these channels open. I just don't get it. 7 months with no diplomacy now all this happening in the last week. Can't work out if it's positive or worrying.

They've done this from time to time and I think they're just clutching at straws because things are going downhill. They know Ukraine are planning no such thing. The West aren't planning any such thing or supporting it. The Russians keep hinting at chemical/bio/nuclear etc. but then nothing comes of it and they go quiet. Why advertise your own false flag event? It's not very cunning. They believe words alone are enough to make everyone cower into submission.

Naem · 24/10/2022 18:41

@blueshoes While I don't on balance agree with what is being said here - if you want to understand more deeply the argument as to why Israel should not provide weapons - you could try reading this piece:
www.algemeiner.com/2022/10/24/israel-should-stay-out-of-the-war-in-ukraine/

Dionysius · 24/10/2022 19:27

Continued thanks for the threads.

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