Anyone else totally wiped out by Covid jabs?

[ArseInTheCoOpWindow]

Had my 4th on Monday.

Still got temperature, headache, wobbly legs.
The other 3 put me out of action for a week each time, as this probably will.

Yet when l had Covid l felt crap for a day. No temperature, no wobbliness.

But each jab seems to destroy me😟

Yes me 100%. Had Covid at the beginning of 2020 and wasn't too bad. When I had my first jab (AZ) oh boy ....literally the worst night of my life. It really felt like someone had poisoned me.

Haven't had any since and won't be having any more. Caught Covid this March and it was nothing but a snotty cold, felt fine.

I think we all need to be honest about this - some people are really affected by the jab me included. Some people sail through jabs. It's all part of informed consent - honest info and then you make your personal decision.

By how much does it reduce the liklihood?

By what percentage does it reduce transmission?

Looking back I kind of wish I felt pushed into taking that first jab as I'm a nurse, and now I feel resentful. If I could go back I wouldn't have any and it's undermined my trust in public health massively.

@mavismorpoth I imagine you have the studies
at your finger tip to share?

You're the one making claims.

I've been fine each time

I had my 4th a couple of days back. No issues except a slightly sore arm.

I'm interested in the studies on transmission as well. It was my understanding it reduced likelihood of hospitalisation? Question mark added as I only have my phone and no studies at hand. My risk of hospitalisation in 2020 was one in 4000 based on that university calculator.

Also, how well do the vaccines work at preventing infection with omicron vs earlier variants?

I think "reducing the likelihood of hospitalisation" is relative to each individual.

With vaccines it's always blanket policy but the risk profile changes with each individual.

With routine childhood illnesses they use global statistics which are incredibly skewed because there are some parts of the world with inherent risk factors around what would otherwise be a routine disease. Just two example, measles and polio are self-limiting and often asymptomatic illnesses in healthy well-nourished children. But global statistics are terrifying and used to encourage people with healthy well-nourished children to take vaccines which come with their own risks.

It's not sensible to have a vaccine for something in every case, but I get that global health policy is just that and we each have to make decisions individually, even though most don't.

My decision to have a vaccines using a novel technology (mRNA) that brings my risk down by 0.08% is based on my circumstances and it makes perfect sense for me to avoid it based on that. I'm not going to take a completely unknown risk for such little benefit.

My decision to have a vaccines using a novel technology (mRNA) that brings my risk down by 0.08% is based on my circumstances and it makes perfect sense for me to avoid it based on that. I'm not going to take a completely unknown risk for such little benefit.
This is why I decided against it too. How did you find your risk of complications? My risk of hospitalisation was 0.025%, but this was in 2020, I imagine it would be lower with omicron?

I used an online calculator for whatever that's worth.

But as a healthy individual it was always going to be low risk just like with any virus or bacterial infection.

But as a healthy individual it was always going to be low risk just like with any virus or bacterial infection.
I honestly never expected them to go ahead with jabs for the healthy under 50s let alone children. It made sense for my DGM in her 80s to have it.

So why do you think they did and why do you think they are intending children including babies to have the jab now?

Meant to be having one today but haven't been feeling well this week but ooh want to get it done as I can rest in half term and am worried it will make me ill

It's very weird. I don't understand why it is so different for different people.

When I had my first Covid I felt very slightly fluey for 24 hours, but it didn't stop me doing anything. I have had no reaction to any of the subsequent jabs, including my booster last weekend. Each time I had a slightly tender arm, but I don't really count that, as it was only when I touched it.

When I had Covid (6 months ago) I had a stuffed up nose. That was it.

Very lucky, obviously.

Different levels of immune system function. Your immune system is

your lymphatic system
tonsils
skin (barrier)
microbiome on skin
nasal hairs
bowel
liver
gut microbiome

These are all under varying stresses with varying inadequacy between people

Also we all have varying levels of essential nutrients and vitamins, notable are C and D. C we cannot store and if we don't intake optimal levels daily our immune system won't function as well.

I don't know, it doesn't make sense to me. Money? Or because they'd already scared people so much early on that parents were demanding it? Healthy children are at such low risk.

So you think the medical establishment and pharmaceutical industry would give people medical interventions for profit to the detriment of people's health?

Thanks @mavismorpoth

I haven't had any tonsils for 55 years, but sounds like the rest of me is doing ok!

Antibiotic use must be a huge factor. It is said to take a year to recover your gut microbiome after one round, and I know many people have many rounds per year. This will weaken their overall immunity significantly so that's probably a huge factor countrywide.

And most people don't get the RDA of Vitamin C daily (45mg) let alone the optimal amount which I would put at 1,000mg and that's what I take for the past ten years.

I think the health of our population is generally pretty awful actually and promotion of health is just a non starter from our government.

Well Pfizer were fined 2.3 billion for illegally marketing drugs for off label use weren't they? I don't trust the pharmaceutical industry to put people's health before profit.

The autumn bivalent boosters include omicron

Here is a link to Dr John Campbell's channel, he has made many videos looking at studies/evidence/peer reviewed articles etc for anyone who is interested - this particular one is regarding the presence of MRNA in breast milk Post vaccination.