Anyone else totally wiped out by Covid jabs?

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Had my 4th on Monday.

Still got temperature, headache, wobbly legs.
The other 3 put me out of action for a week each time, as this probably will.

Yet when l had Covid l felt crap for a day. No temperature, no wobbliness.

But each jab seems to destroy me😟

@MidnightConstellation jsit because you aren’t able to understand it does not mean it’s not possipbe

I had an elevated heart rate about 5 minutes after my Pfizer which was quite frightening but I don’t know if this was anxiety! It went away after 2 mins though.

Other than that, nothing at all, felt absolutely fine after all 3. Also had the flu jab and felt fine.

Had my 4th last Saturday. I had a rough couple of days - temp 102F, sweating, dizziness, nausea - and my arm is still swollen and sore (although it's much better than it was).

First jab was fine, second I felt a little unwell (both Astra Zeneca). Third (Moderna) and fourth (Pfizer) knocked me out.

Had flu jab on Wednesday. All OK.

I had covid in June and although I wouldn't want it again the symptoms were milder than the jab.

How come you feel confident to understand vaccine efficacy but not disruption to periods?

Given me and many I know never had a jab and have never taken part in any such research they're obviously using a sample (because that's how research is always conducted) but how is the sample chosen? What variables were considered? What were the individual original risks of complications from covid of each person? Are pharmaceutical companies allowed to cherry pick research results? Are pharmaceutical companies ethical on the whole? Does demand incentive exist in that industry? Are they motivated by money at all?

I always feel terrible too. However, I had my booster on the 8th, went to a wedding on the 14th. Everyone I went with caught Covid, including me. But while others were very unwell, I had slight cold symptoms for one day, slight nausea for a couple more days, tested positive with a very faint line for two days and then was fine. So it was definitely worth it! Flu ones are usually worse for me tbh.

Me and dd did also

Totally agree. Apparently people's experiences will give a distorted view

@mavismorpoth because it’s quite easy and there is a lot of information on basic efficacy but the mechanism of why it impacts on periods is a complex medical question which I don’t have the knowledge to understand in detail

So you have the knowledge and experience to understand the studies on efficacy?

@mavismorpoth did you read
the article I linked to - it sets out they picked their sample

a common method is to look at people who are in hospital becaue of Covid and become seriously unwell or die becaue of Covid. This is substantially more for vaccinated rather than unvaccinated. It’s quite simple to establish the efficacy

"it people who are in hospital becaue of Covid and become seriously unwell or die becaue of Covid"

And what type of person (age, health status) makes up the majority of those who become seriously ill or die from covid?

@mavismorpoth but that’s a different question from if it’s effective

my understanding is that indeed the younger you are the risk profile changes - hence the different approach to vaccinated in children (who are not vulnerable) - there is a point at which the risk of serious harm from
Covid is less Than the risk of serious harm from the vaccine

Yes and that's the case for me. If my risk is 0.1% which is about what it is, and the vaccine improves my chances by 80%, what's my new risk?

Why did you decide to go ahead with the 4th after what happened with the first three, and after already having had such a mild illness when you had covid? Was it required by your workplace?

@mavismorpoth but the point remains that it is still LESS of a risk for you to have the vaccine than to not have it

the issue thst Covid was never actually that huge a threat to young healthy people but was a threat to vulnerable people - people with cancer compromised systems and the elderly- is a wider question of society

So did I, both in March 2020 and this year. Many jabbed people I know had it worse than me and more times.

No, that's not a fact at all. Improving my risk by such a small amount (80% of 0.1%) cannot be said to be worth the risk of myocarditis or other unknown effects of the vaccine, if nothing else simply because the effects of the vaccine long-term are not known.

My risk from COVID is 0.1% or thereabouts. I've come into contact with it multiple times over the past two years with no symptoms. My risk of vaccine injury is zero.

So it's absolutely nonsensical to state what you just did.

Can you articulate why you stated that, what your reasoning was?

How is it a wider question of society?

Me having the vaccine doesn't prevent me catching or spreading it so how does my decisions have any impact on others?

You really think it's worth me risking vaccine injury to bring my risk of complications from COVID up to this? You think this helps society that much?

I've had Covid twice, wiped me out both times. My first three vaccinations I was fine, the fourth (a different brand) I was off my feet for 24 hours. Still better than the virus in my experience.

@mavismorpoth well then crack on and don’t have the vacinne

the reality is that the more people who have the vacinne the greater the reduction of the risk to the vulnerable

you may not like that - and it may make you uncomfortable to be faced with that choice - and you are free to decide not to do so

but it is disingenuous to not acknowledge it

and it is a different argument to saying that the vaccine is not effective

How is that the case when the vaccine does not stop you spreading covid?

@mavismorpoth it does

It reduces the likelihood- there are no absolutes with a virus like Covid