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ADS and the winds of change

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justasking111 · 09/10/2022 10:35

All set onward and upward friends

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EmmaEmerald · 05/03/2023 17:53

justasking111 · 05/03/2023 17:52

I wonder what happened to all the perspex screening in businesses.

That's quite handy though

if you've ever worked in customer service, there's lots of benefits to being behind a screen.

ISaySteadyOn · 05/03/2023 17:59

@EmmaEmerald , unfamiliar places or indoor ones. I couldn't wear a mask, you see and the hostility to anyone who couldn't or didn't made me really anxious. I managed to go to Regent's Park the other day which was a big deal for me. And I pushed myself to take different public transport.

EmmaEmerald · 05/03/2023 18:35

ISay I hope that improves for you.

I'm definitely thinking that people are more affected by lockdown, even if they told me they found it great, they might now be seeing the impacts.

BogRollBOGOF · 05/03/2023 18:46

I went into all this with a 6 & 9 yo.
Direct or indirect restrictions (e.g. swerving places where masks would be required) took away a significant chunk of regular childhood experiences. Particularly with DS2, he's grown up in that time, at Christmas he saw Santa for the first time in 3 years, but he's grown out of the innocent wonder years. Those kinds of opportunities can't be reclaimed, those years are gone. Being 7 was pretty much a write-off for him with the start and end both being at the extreme ends of restrictions in the spring.

I still find it hard to psych up and do things with them in the holidays. A lot of it is actually just them growing up, and a fair part due to having an autistic 12yo (who is also not moving on to the normal social independence) but where restrictions have been relevant is that some of that natural bridge from 6-9 and 9-12 was removed. The effort to push and get going in a world of zero external motivation has been exhausting. The effort of doing things like food shopping during mask mandates and playing roulette on face-covering panic attacks, or risking abuse for not wearing one (fortunately that didn't happen, but I'd go late at night to avoid people). The little things we'd do like going to a park to cheaply break the day up now has zero appeal after so, so many months of it being the only option, especially over the miserable winter of 2021. Maybe they'd be over that by now anyway, but there has been a seamless seague of it from the days of restrictions and their consequences.

It also wasn't socially healthy for DS1 to have had so much social isolation at that stage of life. While it didn't bother him in the way that it distressed DS2, it's not healthy for him and his development to always be in that state and he's had mixed messages; go to school, stay the fuck at home, go to school. Don't go if your classmate has the sniffles, you've been off ill but improve your attendance, and so many young people were screwed over as we said they would be again and again and again

EmmaEmerald · 05/03/2023 18:52

Bog, school attendance things always annoy me.

you say "The effort to push and get going in a world of zero external motivation has been exhausting." I can't motivate myself either, but interested that you also mention zero external motivation. It does feel like that.

ISaySteadyOn · 05/03/2023 19:10

BogRollBOGOF · 05/03/2023 18:46

I went into all this with a 6 & 9 yo.
Direct or indirect restrictions (e.g. swerving places where masks would be required) took away a significant chunk of regular childhood experiences. Particularly with DS2, he's grown up in that time, at Christmas he saw Santa for the first time in 3 years, but he's grown out of the innocent wonder years. Those kinds of opportunities can't be reclaimed, those years are gone. Being 7 was pretty much a write-off for him with the start and end both being at the extreme ends of restrictions in the spring.

I still find it hard to psych up and do things with them in the holidays. A lot of it is actually just them growing up, and a fair part due to having an autistic 12yo (who is also not moving on to the normal social independence) but where restrictions have been relevant is that some of that natural bridge from 6-9 and 9-12 was removed. The effort to push and get going in a world of zero external motivation has been exhausting. The effort of doing things like food shopping during mask mandates and playing roulette on face-covering panic attacks, or risking abuse for not wearing one (fortunately that didn't happen, but I'd go late at night to avoid people). The little things we'd do like going to a park to cheaply break the day up now has zero appeal after so, so many months of it being the only option, especially over the miserable winter of 2021. Maybe they'd be over that by now anyway, but there has been a seamless seague of it from the days of restrictions and their consequences.

It also wasn't socially healthy for DS1 to have had so much social isolation at that stage of life. While it didn't bother him in the way that it distressed DS2, it's not healthy for him and his development to always be in that state and he's had mixed messages; go to school, stay the fuck at home, go to school. Don't go if your classmate has the sniffles, you've been off ill but improve your attendance, and so many young people were screwed over as we said they would be again and again and again

This cuts to the heart of it for me. This is exactly how I feel. I know I have to push through because they need those experiences but it is so hard to motivate myself.

And I am so relieved that DS now has a best friend!

EmmaEmerald · 05/03/2023 21:41

On the flip side, lockdown supporters are unlikely to change their minds. They still think.."if we had done it earlier".

ISaySteadyOn · 05/03/2023 21:47

Why, though? That's what I don't get.

MopeyDopey · 05/03/2023 21:50

ISaySteadyOn · 05/03/2023 21:47

Why, though? That's what I don't get.

I suppose they are thinking that if a virus can't find a host it can't replicate.

but you'd literally have to have all things stop...no food production etc.

but then it's an airborne virus, so it will find someone!

ISaySteadyOn · 06/03/2023 06:27

And you'd have to never ever leave your house again. Because as soon as anyone did, someone would catch that or a new virus.

EmmaEmerald · 06/03/2023 13:23

I feel like there is a silence around the WA messages IRL. I've done something I don't usually do, and stated my position on social media. I was immediately asked if I'm affiliated to "other things deemed to be right wing", which seems to be a very big box now.

EmmaEmerald · 06/03/2023 17:32

I'm having an online chat with a very persistent AD.

He genuinely thinks that it's okay for someone to work on a factory floor, mixing with people, go home on a train, and still be denied any human contact outside of that, in case he passes an illness he probably isn't carrying, on to others.

I'm out of arguments, but he won't be changing his mind will he? This is an atheist amd a gnostic trying to convert each other.

EmmaEmerald · 07/03/2023 20:20

Today I saw the Metro and the Daily Express.

not one word about any of this. It's not on TV news mum says, not sure if that's correct.

Buzzinwithbez · 07/03/2023 21:43

There was a segment on Jeremy Vine about it. Quite a hard hitting one.

justasking111 · 07/03/2023 21:46

I suspect a lot of MPs went through hell because of this odious man and others of his ilk.

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MopeyDopey · 07/03/2023 22:36

Buzzinwithbez · 07/03/2023 21:43

There was a segment on Jeremy Vine about it. Quite a hard hitting one.

I hear he was one of the most prolific pro lockdowners and in favour of lockdown for the unvaxxed?

ISaySteadyOn · 08/03/2023 06:55

Jeremy Vine? Yes, I think so.

EmmaEmerald · 08/03/2023 18:33

I still don't have a copy of the Telegraph

but what I can see, the headline is Chris Whitty saying it wasn't necessary to rush a vaccine?

EmmaEmerald · 12/03/2023 22:45

Not sure anyone posts here
had a friend cancel meeting today as her Dh has covid
she has tested negative, he feels fine but she isn't going out for a week at least

I think after people decided to paint Oakeshott as a villain, it's over, and people who love all the covid drama and the lockdowns won't change.

Triggernometry did a good interview with Isabel and FF said he just now accepts people loved it all.

I suppose I do too. I'm looking forward to moving and getting to know new people. I will say who I really am upfront!

justasking111 · 12/03/2023 23:41

Who still tests for covid 🙈

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justasking111 · 12/03/2023 23:45

One of our hospitals shut to visitors again. Covid and norovirus they said

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JenniferBooth · 12/03/2023 23:45

@EmmaEmerald Saw a good interview on Talk TV last Thursday Vanessa Feltz interviewed Isabel Oakeshott and Vanessa was absolutely aghast that people were more pissed off with Oakeshott rather than what was actually IN the WhatsApp messages.

EmmaEmerald · 12/03/2023 23:47

justasking111 · 12/03/2023 23:41

Who still tests for covid 🙈

I can understand taking the test - she was meant to see her parents too amd they are still terrified

but she got a negative all week...her DH had it since Weds.

he's feeling fine, no fever, just a sore throat that I couldn't hear on the phone!