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DesdamonasHandkerchief ·
03/10/2022 11:18
Thereisnolight · 03/10/2022 11:09
If it’s gas won’t it leave the sea pretty quickly?
MissConductUS ·
03/10/2022 11:30
notimagain · 03/10/2022 07:46
The question is then is there enough US/NATO weaponry to execute a devastating attack against Russia in the region? Won't at least.air craft carriers be visible?
Yes IMHO they have more than enough and on that specific point I wouldn't be thinking Aircraft carriers.
Firstly there are quite a few western combat aircraft already deployed to airfields in that part of the world that can reach potential targets, though possibly in some instances they will need air to air refuelling to do so.
I haven't heard what NATO maritime assets are in that part of the world (e.g. in the Eastern med). but some of them carry large numbers of long range cruise missiles.
Occasionally on the ADS tracker sites you'll see the likes of B-52's over eastern Europe, often in holding patterns over Scandinavia and eastern Europe...small numbers but I suspect we're probably not seeing all of them...what we see is for show. Depending on the variant each B-52 could be carrying 20 cruise missiles, all of which could be fired at very short notice.
In short NATO has the capability to deliver a massive amount of conventional ordnance to targets in the occupied parts of Ukraine with short notice without the use of aircraft carriers....
katem98 ·
03/10/2022 11:38
autumn1610 · 03/10/2022 11:35
From what I have read it normally disperses in the sea and into the atmosphere when it natural leaks from the seabed etc. however the amount that has leaked is far from normal and yes it will still go into the atmosphere, however it is a big release of methane which apparently is unprecedented and will have a climate/environmental impact. Estimates are it’s millions of cubic meters of the stuff and methane is part of the issue in warming up the planet. So it’s a big bloody environmental disaster with god knows what consequences to the marine life and atmosphere
Fladdermus ·
03/10/2022 22:00
Peaches212 · 03/10/2022 21:25
Sorry I've not read through all the other threads. However, has anyone addressed the issue of Nordstream and the fact that America has had its eye fixed on Europe to sell them their oil and gas for years? Condoleezza Rice herself said it 10 years ago on video, how they don't like Russia having the European markets for oil and gas and that they need to be stopped.
The way I understand it, Ukraine is a proxy war for America and Russia. Both sides are crazy, neither side much cares for who is caught in the middle. We are not really America's "friends" or have a "special relationship", unless you take special as meaning "abusive". America has an incentive to continue the war because it allows money to flow into the arms companies and weakens Russia, thereby allowing it to assert its dominance ever more over the world in a time when its power is waning.
Russia/Putin is probably nuts but there is actual evidence out there which shows how he has tried to be friends with America over the years but has been ridiculed, lied to and humiliated by them. I do believe that although Putin was wrong to invade, that the west pushed very hard to help him in that direction.
So although I won't take sides, I don't like the way that America treats other countries around the world. It is in fact proving awful for us all on so many levels. I also don't like the massive wall of propaganda that we are subject to in the UK, and from the sounds of it, across Europe. This strict anti-russian, pro-western narrative which seeks to arrest our critical thinking.
We are all paying the price for these catastrophic decisions. Obviously some people more than others. I'm so angry about it. We are all being played for fools.
Thereisnolight ·
03/10/2022 22:04
Peaches212 · 03/10/2022 21:25
Sorry I've not read through all the other threads. However, has anyone addressed the issue of Nordstream and the fact that America has had its eye fixed on Europe to sell them their oil and gas for years? Condoleezza Rice herself said it 10 years ago on video, how they don't like Russia having the European markets for oil and gas and that they need to be stopped.
The way I understand it, Ukraine is a proxy war for America and Russia. Both sides are crazy, neither side much cares for who is caught in the middle. We are not really America's "friends" or have a "special relationship", unless you take special as meaning "abusive". America has an incentive to continue the war because it allows money to flow into the arms companies and weakens Russia, thereby allowing it to assert its dominance ever more over the world in a time when its power is waning.
Russia/Putin is probably nuts but there is actual evidence out there which shows how he has tried to be friends with America over the years but has been ridiculed, lied to and humiliated by them. I do believe that although Putin was wrong to invade, that the west pushed very hard to help him in that direction.
So although I won't take sides, I don't like the way that America treats other countries around the world. It is in fact proving awful for us all on so many levels. I also don't like the massive wall of propaganda that we are subject to in the UK, and from the sounds of it, across Europe. This strict anti-russian, pro-western narrative which seeks to arrest our critical thinking.
We are all paying the price for these catastrophic decisions. Obviously some people more than others. I'm so angry about it. We are all being played for fools.
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