Has anyone else become more of a royalist over the last few days?

[MeanMrMustardSeed]

I have.

I have always said I loved the queen, but wasn’t sure about Charles and the future of the monarchy beyond Elizabeth II. I love a bit of tradition and pomp, but not too much, and actually feel sorry for people born into the Royal Family, rather than jealous of them.

I have also been reminded about just how awesome the Queen was.

However, I feel an unexpected warmth towards Charles, and look forward to seeing him and Camilla step up.

I would definitely say I am more of a Royalist than I was 4 days ago, and was just wondering if anyone else can identity with this?

Yep. Blanket hagiographic arse licking coverage everywhere merely serves to radicalise! So in answer to the OP, fuck no.

What do republicans suggest I wonder? Take over Buckingham palace and turn it into social housing? No matter what happens inequality and privilege will still occur. Look at Putin and all the other presidents and heads of state. Living in fancy huge houses, like the White House. The RF are great ambassadors for our country and the pomp and ceremony is a living embodiment of our rich history. Modern life and ceremonial life can co exist.

What do republicans suggest I wonder? Take over Buckingham palace and turn it into social housing?

Maybe storming a la Bastille style?

@AhNowTed SOME British people's obsession with the Royal family. Not ALL. Many, many of us would like the Queen to be the last British monarch.

No, my feeling about monarchy has not chanfed. I am quite neutral to it.
But my feeling towards people full of unexplicable hatred that needs to dig out passages of history from centuries and centuries back to be indigned about something today, 11th September 2022, has escalated. And they have the nerve to compare themselves to people who suffered imperial aggression and suppression and reacted to it, again years and years back, to justify their spouting of hate towards the citizens of whole countries with whom their share, today, great levels of freedom, democracy and not a trace of oppression of any sort.
I find it sickening.
There is one way to fix the problems we face and that is all together, all walking side by side respecting each other.
I bet you the queen or now the king will have some better words to say about this.
One big nation is much more powerful that a bunch of hateful ones.

I meant, my feeling of monarchy has not changed lol

😂 This!

Why does nobody ever say what these awful things are? I genuinely have no idea what you mean.

My form of republicanism is "no more royal family, keep as much as possible as historical buildings and tourist attractions, and also could we magically do something to improve the state of democracy somehow."

None of which will ever happen of course

I can imagine just how it would go if the monarchy were abolished (I say this as someone who thinks it should be massively slimmed down). Sell off buildings privatise it all. Make people pay for everything. Much will go to the rich.

Don’t imagine it would ever go to 'the people' or 'the poor'.

(As a related/ unrelated anecdote, I've seen how the National Trust has ruined a local community that I used to be part of. They bought off all the housing, not allowing locals to afford it and use it as overpriced holiday homes. They blocked other locals from doing the things they needed to their own homes).

Those that want to abolish need to think about what would actually happen next.

Republicans don't need to think about what would happen next and have some kind of detailed plan just to hold a belief. It's perfectly fine to see the monarchy as the outdated colonial dinosaur that it is, and to rightly hate the idea of so many millions going to one random family when old people are freezing to death, unable to pay their heating bills.

But if the question is what should happen next, then the answer is all of the monies held by the RF should go back to the people in the form of investments in hospitals, schools, etc. What else?

Yeah. That would never happen.

Yes

No way I feel stronger they must go

Yes i have regained a respect for the queen and the royals.

We already have democratic leaders. But the constant presence of the monarchy provides neutral reassurance in difficult times.

@anderosonnmj , I agree. We live close to 2000 acres of a Royal Park - a fantastic free facility for so many people in the area, not to mention a nature reserve. I’ve often thought that if it weren’t a royal park, it would by now have been sold off for large, very expensive houses - this is an area with more than its fair share of large, very expensive houses anyway.

It's a silly argument, though, because it's not like for like, and whether or not people remember names has nothing much to do with anything, and it's an oddly British-centric view of the world.

Americans remember American presidents, particularly seminal presidents, just as British people remember British PMs, particularly seminal British PMs.

Do a lot of people in other countries remember any British Royal other than the (late) Queen and a few that are notorious for beheading their wives, etc.? No.

Why does it have to be so black and white? Why not reduce the extreme celebrations, keep them but only in ways that benefit tourism and the public. Stop some of the silly rules that are the reason Harry felt the need to run away.

No.

It's such a waste of money.

@hewouldwouldnthe

Is your argument that it's ok because Putin does it? That's a new one for me.

The difference between the way the royal family lives and the WH is that American presidents don't make money from the property. It's a borrowed house, whereas the royals rake in huge takings from their taxpayer subsidised properties.

And then there's this

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/09/prince-charles-vetted-laws-that-stop-his-tenants-buying-their-homes

@Rosewaterblossom

I hate to mention it, because it seems a bit petty, but are you aware that the American version was a remake of a British show in which the prez character was a PM? Having a royal head of state didn't play into or temper the PM's behaviour in that version either.

I genuinely wonder what people think would actually happen if the monarchy was abolished. Do you really think the wealth would be shared amongst us common folk? Used for the betterment of the country? Castles turned into social housing for homeless? Give me a break 🤦‍♀️

I don't think that's really what it's about. It's more of a general feeling that a country is better based on fairness, as opposed to being born 'a commoner' and 'a subject' of a family which has done nothing to deserve their power and wealth.

I’ve always liked the royal family, largely as I adore the pomp of ceremony and the royals give plenty of that. I like to go to all the events

It's not really based on fairness now though with the prime minister. They're all Eton/private school elite posh boys/women and we currently have a new prime minister who wasn't voted in via the public.