Is anyone not weeping in to their cuppa today?

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Or is it just me? My colleagues are all in mourning and apparently can’t concentrate and do their work properly today and I’m all 😑 at the drama of them.

Don’t get me wrong Her Majesty was a legend and she did a really good job, but at 96 it’s hardly unexpected and I don’t think it warrants quite the level of drama some people seem to be displaying.

Didn't say anything about whether it's respectful because actually my whole point is that it isn't for us to police each on this issue. And for you to imagine that your take on the matter amounts to common sense is more arrogance.

You are overstepping. It isn't for you to tell other people what views are ok to be offered today and which aren't, and the idea that anyone should be remotely interested in your subjective opinion of what's crass is very egotistical.

@PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior in what way am I trying to 'police' anyone? I've said on more than one occasion that everyone is entitled to their opinion. I have shared mine. How is that any different to what other people are doing?

I think she reminds everyone of the grandparents (or parents) who have passed, which is why many people feel so sad. It's not about her per se, but that she represents other things, and being reminded of those things brings up grief.

Plus the country has lost it's figurehead at a time of huge uncertainty, so that's destabilising at best.

I keep dropping a few tears too.

It's not accepting of someone else's opinion to claim that they lack "decency" because they think differently to you.

Your opinion is about what's appropriate to be said at the moment, not merely the situation itself. That sets you entirely apart from people who are just sad/not sad and aren't holding their views up as a model for other people to follow.

@PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior read the op. She literally says 'I don't think it warrants the level of drama some people are displaying.'

I'm pretty sure that goes beyond saying she is sad/not sad. It is a clear comment/judgement on the reaction of others. This thread is full of it. So why are you just focusing on mine?

Interesting that you've stopped trying to disagree with the substance of what I'm saying and are instead trying again to dictate how the discussion should go. There's a theme here!

But the distinction between you and OP, since you ask, is that she isn't attributing a moral dimension. Your use of terms like crass and setting your view up as the one that constitutes common decency and basic respect while others do not is what separates the two of you.

Some of you should go on Irish Twitter or Indian Twitter or Nigerian Twitter. She definitely didn't remind them of their grandmas. And it is not up to you to tell them otherwise.

@PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior there is a theme - you chastising me for trying to police what others say while doing the exact same thing to me. I've forgotten what the substance of what you were saying actually was with all this to-ing and fro-ing.

Moral dimension? Ok then. It's the same thing you just prefer her POV because it aligns with yours. It makes no odds to me what others feel or how they behave but I am entitled to my opinion just as the op is entitled to believe people are dramatic. If disagreeing and stating a counter opinion means I am policing others then so be it.

I have the day off, so I'm doing exactly what I should do. And I have no intention of policing an anonymous website forum, unlike you it seems.🤔

No, it isn't the same thing. That's simply incorrect. You're attributing a moral dimension when you start using terminology about basic respect and decency as though you're more qualified than the people you disagree with to define what those are, and the OP didn't. Other people are more than entitled to tell you how arrogant and self-regarding your post was. You just don't like it.

I am struggling more than I thought but it is because the death has opened up emotions surrounding DH's death six months ago but I haven't talked to anyone about how I feel for fear they will just think I am being stupid.

l don' t get caught up in it all, l don't have a tv, or read newspapers, my sons online friend in the Neverlands informed us, we had no idea. l feel for her close family, thats it.

@PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior Its so strange isn’t it so many people are being so so disrespectful and inappropriate. Read the room. Complaining football etc clubs are cancelled and underpinning agendas.

Everyone’s entitled to their opinions but it would be nice if people could wait to discuss these things, which are obviously important, until after the period of mourning etc has passed then we can move on as a nation. It’s made me quite cross today actually xxx

I agree and you've put it better than I could have.

She was old, I'm not upset.

A "grief cafe" has been set up at my workplace today for people to talk about this huge loss.

I was 🙄

@EdithWeston . You cannot possibly be comparing this to 9/11. One was a large scale tragedy that shook the world, killed thousands and started a war. Of course people were shaken afterwards. I think it’s shameful to compare the two

What’s wrong with that though? Not talking about grief is probably a factor into why some people are so discombobulated in the first place . It’s the one thing that we will all experience, the one thing that’s universal to us all, we should talk more openly about it .

I do not care. Not at all. Not even a tiny little bit. I understand that some people do though, so I have kept my thoughts to myself at work, unless talking to the one other colleague who very obviously also does not care at all. We had to do a minutes silence and assembly about with our classes (we're teachers), so talked about what we were going to say to our students (obviously we don't tell them we don't care), otherwise we wouldn't have even mentioned it. But no-one at works seems particularly upset at all, it's been a pretty normal day. We're too busy to mope so that's probably why, we've still got the same job to do.

Not wanting to join in with the nationalised mourning is not being snippy or mocking people though.
We don't all feel the same way, and we should be allowed to do so without being lambasted.

It isn't the mood of the nation though. It's the mood of some people in the nation.

I'm sad but to be honest, so much upheaval has happened over the past few years with Covid, WFH, war in Ukraine, threat of Russia attacking us, new PM, this just seems like another monumental thing. And to be fair, with the reports of ill health and her age it was clearly going to happen at anytime.
Also had and still have a lot personally going on, MIL becoming ill and moving in with us after years living in France, my dad dying, loads of crap still ongoing from (D)B and (D)Sis with the estate.

This 100%

so you think it's respectful to slag off someone whose just died? I wouldn't call it arrogance, just common sense/basic decency

@padfootlives she doesn’t care. She’s dead. And I doubt Charles et al give a fuck what the common people on mumsnet think.

But I’d also take you to task on the ‘slagging off’ which (alongside being misogynistic) suggests people are making personal criticisms about Elizabeth herself rather than the real conversation which is about abject privilege and wealth, about taking tax payers money and owning multiple luxury residences whilst 1 in kids - In the fifth richest county in the world - are living in poverty. She doesn’t sound like such a saint now