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Bye Bye Big Dog. Who is going to take over? Truss V Sunak Thread 12

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Roussette · 20/07/2022 17:16

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Here we are.

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Roussette · 07/08/2022 13:49

Yes he did cause pain to bereaved families, I agree

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derxa · 07/08/2022 13:51

We don't need a smear campaign. His attitude, misleading, defence of Chris Pincher, trying to change the rules for the other MP who resigned, his constant misremembering... You could apply that to Sturgeon who tried to get Alex Salmond jailed. She couldn't remember things either and the mishandling of two major sex scandals. Both equally despicable of course. The Tories and the SNP have been in power too long.

ClaudineClare · 07/08/2022 13:55

derxa · 07/08/2022 13:38

I don't want 'shredding'. I want policies to help people in need. Is that too much to ask?

No it is not and I agree that is what is needed. What is Truss's plan? Has she said anything other than cut taxes, which of course benefits the well off more than the poor.

Roussette · 07/08/2022 13:58

But we're not talking about Sturgeon are we? Hence the thread title

This is Johnson and the reason he's going going gone. Not a conspiracy according to some on here!

Illegally suspending parliament. Proven.
Doling out peerages to Tory donors. Yes
Trying to change the rules for one of his own. Yes
FPN. Yes broke the law
Plenty more
He abused his power

His own party saw him off not Cummings 😂

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SueSaid · 07/08/2022 13:59

'Oh - and you forget that we don't elect a PM. We elect an MP. The Leader of the party becomes PM. So it was the Tory MPs who decided that he should not be a leader'

Yes I do know that. So the 80 seat majority was because all the red wall voters just loved their MPs? They were voting for BJ as you well know regardless of the process.

SueSaid · 07/08/2022 14:01

'But we're not talking about Sturgeon are we?'

No we're not, but sometimes threads evolve, bit like ones about Prince Harry that always seem to end up about Fergie Wink

derxa · 07/08/2022 14:02

ClaudineClare · 07/08/2022 13:55

No it is not and I agree that is what is needed. What is Truss's plan? Has she said anything other than cut taxes, which of course benefits the well off more than the poor.

She's saying whatever will appeal to Tory party members at the moment. What the real plan is we shall see. Both candidates are as appealing as two buckets of cold sick.

Roussette · 07/08/2022 14:04

SueSaid · 07/08/2022 14:01

'But we're not talking about Sturgeon are we?'

No we're not, but sometimes threads evolve, bit like ones about Prince Harry that always seem to end up about Fergie Wink

Gosh, surprised you haven't mentioned the other one, everything over here is usually her fault!

Back to donors...
A Venezuelan banker who has donated 500,000 to the Conservative party is under investigation in the US for corruption. Why would a Venezuelan banker donate that much money to a British political party & why would they accept it?

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derxa · 07/08/2022 14:05

SueSaid · 07/08/2022 14:01

'But we're not talking about Sturgeon are we?'

No we're not, but sometimes threads evolve, bit like ones about Prince Harry that always seem to end up about Fergie Wink

😂

derxa · 07/08/2022 14:09

But whatabout Keir's field? 😆

cakeorwine · 07/08/2022 14:14

SueSaid · 07/08/2022 13:59

'Oh - and you forget that we don't elect a PM. We elect an MP. The Leader of the party becomes PM. So it was the Tory MPs who decided that he should not be a leader'

Yes I do know that. So the 80 seat majority was because all the red wall voters just loved their MPs? They were voting for BJ as you well know regardless of the process.

But it was Tory MPs who picked the leader.

I do agree that it was simultaneously a vote for Johnson and a vote against Corbyn.

However, this is the system we have in this country.

Maybe we should have an elected President - where all the votes in the country count individually towards the vote. No electoral college system. Just vote like Brexit.

DuncinToffee · 07/08/2022 14:30

I see it's back to 'I don't care the government breaking laws and lying about it because Starmer....'

But then if you voted Tory in the last election, you were already fine with it.

Notonthestairs · 07/08/2022 14:43

What our Government should be focusing on -

With time running out to update the universal credit payments system before the October rise, Boris Johnson, Sunak and Truss must this week agree an emergency budget. If they do not, parliament should be recalled to force them to do so. For if nothing is done before yet another fuel price rise hits in January, the fuel poor could rise to 39 million people in 15m households – 54% of the country, with big regional variations ranging from 48% in London to 60.8% in Wales and 62% in Scotland. In all, four in every five of our country’s lone parents, pensioners and large families will be in fuel poverty. The scale is such that the typical fuel bill alone will eat up one-third of the statutory pension. At the start of the pandemic, 40% of children could not afford what Loughborough University has calculated is needed for a decent standard of living. At a stroke in October, more than 50% of children – 7 million – will, I estimate, be in families that have to forgo material necessities.For the poorest 10% of families, food and fuel could take up the majority of weekly outlays after housing costs.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/06/fuel-poverty-is-creating-a-left-out-generation-that-will-never-recover-from-the-scars

I'm done reading nonsense about cake portraying Johnson as some kind of tragic victim. If he were a decent leader for ALL the country he'd use these last few weeks to push for support for vulnerable people. Instead he's faffed around with planes, parties and holidays.

jgw1 · 07/08/2022 14:47

SueSaid · 07/08/2022 13:35

'I'm sure that view would go down well for those who could only have hardly anyone at a loved ones funeral whilst the parties were going on.'

The PM wasn't attending funerals either. You really must try and compare like for like. Funeral attendance was sadly limited to reduce the risk of further spread as there was a pandemic and the nhs was struggling with surges. It wasn't just to be mean.

He was at work as were many, many other key workers all eating and having beverages.

Anyway, he's gone <for now Grin>. Let's hope the msm don't decide to launch another smear campaign to bring down a democratically elected leader. Paul Brand will be gossiping with his 'sources' as we speak

@JaniieJones Can you explain why the Prime Minister went on TV night after night urging us not to mix with people, if mixing was fine?

Why did he not say clearly that children who were attending school, could have parties with those who they were at school, with plus a few others if they happened to be wandering past?

jgw1 · 07/08/2022 14:50

derxa · 07/08/2022 13:38

I don't want 'shredding'. I want policies to help people in need. Is that too much to ask?

As far as I can tell Sunak is proud of removing money from deprived areas to give it to places like Tunbridge Wells and Truss wants to cut taxes for the rich, so they are insulated from the effect of the recession that the government she has been a part of for years has made far worse than it ought to be.

Are you saying that the rich are those in need?

tobee · 07/08/2022 14:51

"Politics isn't a profession any sensible person would enter at the moment. Twitter hate... death threats etc etc. It's just not worth it"

Pretty depressing isn't it? Regardless of political allegiances, that plenty of the best, most capable people would be put off because of this.

Plus the recent government aren't likely to inspire the best people to have a go.

jgw1 · 07/08/2022 14:52

SueSaid · 07/08/2022 13:41

'but can't go down the route yet again as to why BJ was allowed to do what others weren't'

He was at work. I know it, you know it. He wasn't gallivanting about nightclubs or visiting 'loved ones' when no one else could.

You should be more worried how the Cummings/The Mirror etc al pulled the whole thing off tbh.

Do you agree @JaniieJones that if Big Dog had not gone around pooing everywhere there would have been nothing to smear?

jgw1 · 07/08/2022 14:53

SueSaid · 07/08/2022 13:59

'Oh - and you forget that we don't elect a PM. We elect an MP. The Leader of the party becomes PM. So it was the Tory MPs who decided that he should not be a leader'

Yes I do know that. So the 80 seat majority was because all the red wall voters just loved their MPs? They were voting for BJ as you well know regardless of the process.

@JaniieJones What is the evidence from recent by-elections? Are those in the red wall still voting for Boris?
What about those in the Shires?

jgw1 · 07/08/2022 14:55

SueSaid · 07/08/2022 14:01

'But we're not talking about Sturgeon are we?'

No we're not, but sometimes threads evolve, bit like ones about Prince Harry that always seem to end up about Fergie Wink

May I be the first to comment upon the new what about.

Are we done with but Jeremy, Keir had a beer, he knows what a woman is because he has ruined so many of their lives and have moved on to by Sturgeon is a type of fish. Awesome. I'm excited for it.

SueSaid · 07/08/2022 14:57

'If he were a decent leader for ALL the country he'd use these last few weeks to push for support for vulnerable people. Instead he's faffed around with planes, parties and holidays.'

I believe those on PIP are getting a cost of living payment (pip isn't means tested but still an extra 150 quid will come in handy) plus £650 for those on certain benefits www.gov.uk/guidance/cost-of-living-payment. So I think he has 'pushed for support' hasn't he. I mean yes he had a wedding party but I don't think that's outrageous, even the Mirror weren't outraged about that.

DuncinToffee · 07/08/2022 15:03

if Big Dog had not gone around pooing everywhere there would have been nothing to smear?

It really is as simple as that.

DuncinToffee · 07/08/2022 15:06

Janiie, it's £650 help with the cost of living, it's something but nowhere near enough.

Maybe people should just find themselves a tory donor to fund their living costs.

jgw1 · 07/08/2022 15:07

SueSaid · 07/08/2022 14:57

'If he were a decent leader for ALL the country he'd use these last few weeks to push for support for vulnerable people. Instead he's faffed around with planes, parties and holidays.'

I believe those on PIP are getting a cost of living payment (pip isn't means tested but still an extra 150 quid will come in handy) plus £650 for those on certain benefits www.gov.uk/guidance/cost-of-living-payment. So I think he has 'pushed for support' hasn't he. I mean yes he had a wedding party but I don't think that's outrageous, even the Mirror weren't outraged about that.

@JaniieJones Are you saying that the well known left winger Geoffrey Howe is wrong when he said on the radio a short while ago that the governments response to the energy crisis is inadequate?

SueSaid · 07/08/2022 15:08

"Politics isn't a profession any sensible person would enter at the moment. Twitter hate... death threats etc etc. It's just not worth it"

Yes the vitriol is grim. Full of egotistical backstabbers (I'm looking at you
Ellwood). Then there's the trolls on twitter ripping Dorries apart calling her an 'alkie' and posters on here saying she 'wanted BJ to undo his flies'. There's a level of criticism that is really vile. Yes I call Starmer Keith and his deputy Angie, because they are a comedy pair that deserve a bit of mockery. I wouldn't suggest she had an addiction though or make up stories about Keith leaving his wife 'battling cancer' as others have said on here about BJ.

I'm impressed that Truss seems able to brush it off tbh.

Notonthestairs · 07/08/2022 15:11

I can acknowledge that Janii. There are around 2.8 million claims. However backlogs means that there can be months long delays. Many are putting off applying at all. We should be making the process as quick and straightforward as possible.

But the scale of this crisis is going to be immense - "For if nothing is done before yet another fuel price rise hits in January, the fuel poor could rise to 39 million people in 15m households – 54% of the country, with big regional variations ranging from 48% in London to 60.8% in Wales and 62% in Scotland. In all, four in every five of our country’s lone parents, pensioners and large families will be in fuel poverty."

So no I don't think he should have gone on holiday. He's also had more than one party over the last month.

At the very least he should have been present when the BoE raised the rates and gave their statement this week.
Ditto Zahawi who apparently grew up wanting to be Chancellor but appears to have contributed nothing whatsoever.

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