The one where Big Dog is still here, and the race to be the new Top Dog. Thread 11

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Here is the old thread... let's keep on top of what's going on!

www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4584955-the-one-where-big-dog-gets-poop-scooped-thread-10?page=39

Liz Truss has now deleted her tweet promising to "hit the ground from day one."

twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1549778349907709954?t=fcWuij0LWNl9sfWpIoGh3w&s=19

Derxa will you be affected by the Aus/NZ trade deal?

Although Truss would be a gift to Labour, she’ll do exactly what the ERG tell her, won’t she? She can do an awful lot more damage in two years. In that respect I’d have preferred either of the other two but it’s looking like Truss will be the members choice. .

It's done because people respond.

Maybe we also should all change our behaviour and ignore?

If Truss follows Johnson's policy of appointing people who are thicker than she is, then sadly Dorries will almost certainly stay in post. How depressing. Still, with any luck we won't be seeing the constant, slavering hero-worship any more.

I once said to a group of secondary kids

"If you want a reaction from me you need to up your game"

Then realised I'd just literally invited them to behave worse 🤦🏼‍♀️🤣🤣🤣🤣

The good thing about education is at least we generally live and learn and don't repeat our mistakes twice

Could it honestly be Truss? I find that gobsmacking. She is almost child like and to me deep down knows she is out of her depth I think.

In a democracy we have a brilliant PM brought down by ex employees feeding guff to the msm.

Was it guff that he appointed a known sexual predator to the Whips' office, was slow to remove the whip from the person concerned when he was caught out in predatory sexual behaviour, and then sent various colleagues out to lie for him about how much he knew? Or do you think that that behaviour (on top of all the other lies and bad decisions he has been caught out in) should not have brought him down?

This.

I actually still believe he could have done so much good for this country.

Some of his centric ideas are great - such as levelling up.

But he's a bad leader. He fills himself with people who are strong characters rather than good at their project.

He doesn't deal with issues head on and honestly and address them and create change.

The things he could have done so well at have failed because of what he can't do as well as what he doesn't do. But because his mandate was poor or policies were flawed.

Any fact a Tory doesn't like = guff

Delurking to ask for a new thread soon please. I’ve learned so so much here, thank you

Just seen on Twitter

Boris has gone full birds nest hairstyle for his final PMQs, frequent and enthusiastic ruffling 😂

"Not holding out much hope for Sunak winning over the members given outright hostility from Conservative newspapers.

Which means businesses will now have to actively prepare for a trade war with the EU. Afraid it is that bad."

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"...given outright hostility from Conservative newspapers" - msm strikes again.
Conservatives aren't victims of the media - their donors own large parts of it.

Why do people think that Liz Truss has got this ?
The MPs prefer Rishi and have done all along

and I'm sure he'll pick up many votes from the party too purely on the fact he has a grip on the economy and isn't going to borrow money again.
Plus the debates now will show how wooden she is even more so and RS will become more statesman like I'm sure. He isn't as bad as she is at public speaking
Plus he voted leave too , she didn't.
Everyone thinks it'll be her which is surprising to me, but then I haven't got a vote.

Given that the general view has been that taking over at this stage is a poisoned chalice, I wonder if Sunak is playing the long game and aiming to position himself for the next leadership fight?

He's absolutely in it for the long game.

He set up his website in December 2021!

I heard a long interview she did with Nick Robinson (a few weeks/months ago) where she mentioned that her parents were very politically active. But they were socialist CND members! What on earth possessed her to join the Conservative party?

She also described her younger self as "a professional controversialist". Does she have some deep-rooted need to prove herself by being different from her parents maybe?

You could be right @Quia. It’s a risky strategy though because common wisdom says they only get one crack at it. Look what happened to Hunt.

I always think with people like Johnson and Trump that, unless they're diagnosed actual psychopaths, which I don't think they are (totally unqualified though I am) that ultimately they don't really like themselves. And that makes them unhappy.

Also, I've always assumed it was going to be nailed on for Truss after she got support from Rees Mogg and Dorries. The closest to a continuity candidate.

I've started a new one because we are perilously close to 1,000 and we need to welcome the new PM in... with our sort of welcome!

www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4593855-bye-bye-big-dog-who-is-going-to-take-over-truss-v-sunak-thread-12

Just to tag on here, wrt msm (newspapers in particular) it's going to be interesting to see how their influence or otherwise will change or not over the decades with less people buying/reading them, and getting their news from other sources. Presumably the people who want to influence the electorate will adapt and survive.

Just catching up with PMQs.

Johnson has literally admitted they are making strikes illegal and then said he's restoring democracy- does he even hear himself speak?

Also why are they allowed not to answer questions? He was asked numerous times about what new candidates are saying about the economy and he's blaming Labour.

They've been in power. And trying to blame covid that's only been 2/12 years if their rein is just ridiculous 🙄

But he's a bad leader.

That’s because he’s a bad person.
Not all bad leaders are bad people, but he is. He has every attribute to make him a good leader, except for being bad. He surrounds himself with bad people and he makes bad decisions based on self interest when he should know better. This is because he is amoral and has no conscience.

It will be Rishi Sunak. It was always going to be Rishi Sunak. I still think so.