The one where Big Dog is still here, and the race to be the new Top Dog. Thread 11

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Here is the old thread... let's keep on top of what's going on!

www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4584955-the-one-where-big-dog-gets-poop-scooped-thread-10?page=39

We have had this conversation. I don't use Bozo or Nads. Not sure infantilising them sums up the horror.

I just imagine you giggling into your tablet/ device . In my best teacher voice , I wonder who it is you think you are impressing.

My point was they either both should have or shouldn't have. Eating and drinking at work was either breaking the rulez or it wasn't. Consistency

yes I completely understand your point but it’s wrong. These were two different points in time and space with two different sets of laws. It’s really not hard to comprehend.

Your point falls at the first hurdle simply because of basic facts.

now if you want to argue that neither should have ever been against the law let’s do it, but we’re starting at the point that BJ, as PM, was ultimately responsible for implementing them and communicating them to the public. It was plainly clear at the time(s) everyone else had interpreted them very differently to his/no. 10’s actions which begs the question where was the public comment clarifying? There were enough statements at the time.

I am absolutely delighted I won't be seeing BJs face and hear his lies on the front bench at the Despatch box again

here, here.

I’m almost glad that his final words in HoC make him look like the ridiculous creature he is. Should have quoted Churchill.

If that's what BJ called KS it's a tad odd to think a member of your Tory party will fit that insult if they were to win then?

Your party's in trouble isn't it?

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"I just imagine you giggling into your tablet/ device . In my best teacher voice , I wonder who it is you think you are impressing."

Only herself by the looks of it. That's just what I used to say to my Year 9's.

I find the constant mocking of her on here really inappropriate and typically hypocritical. As I've said repeatedly I only have to comment mildly on Angie's bellows and it's handbags at dawn. I'd never for example make unpleasant comments gossiping that she has a drink problem. Just awful.

Well, no, because Angela Rayner doesn't have a drink problem. Nadine Dorries, however, does. That's purely factual, not an unpleasant comment.

"I really don't understand this churlishness. You've got your wish BJ's gone"

It's never simply been about Johnson although he's certainly been a malign influence on the Conservatives. Those MPs chose to support moves to change the rules to get Paterson off the hook, they chose to pretend nothing had happened in Downing Street when they were challenged, they were happy to keep the Russia Report under wraps and keep pocketing the cash, to recommend their mates for Covid contracts, to vote against extending food vouchers to kids, to support sending people to Rwanda, to break the NI protocol (despite having voted in favour of it), many didn't feel Parish had done anything wrong or that Pincher should be removed. And on and on.

It's not just Johnson.

One bad apple spoils the barrel.

Maybe something to do with the sheer hypocrisy of all those Tories? It's really a very short time since 75% of the backbenchers voted against him in a VONC, and even shorter since most of his ministers and junior officials were resigning en masse because they said they were unable to work with someone so lacking in integrity and honesty. And now they're applauding him?

Totally agree. It's the legacy he is leaving behind, the lying which has become the norm in the government, those that are left are still cheering him and his influence remains. Bad for the country and the fact standards have been eroded so much with him as PM
GE needed

Does beg the question why they got rid of him

Maybe you should have a read of all those resignation letters to find out, @JaniieJones?

The Conservatives got rid because a) Johnson made them lie one too many times and b) they recognised he had become a liability in elections (see a).

Of course now we'll get years of "look what you made me do" nonsense.

Plus there will be the fantasy sunlit uplands of what life would have been like if only he'd stayed (more scandal, more BS and a thumping loss at the next GE).

Calling Starmer a bollard may backfire anyway. Mumsnet loves a bollard.

@JaniieJones have I understood correctly that if something was once legal or illegal it should remain like that forever?

For example it used to be legal for me to own a handgun so it should still be legal?
It used to legal for teachers to beat students, so it should still be?

Christmas was made illegal in 1647, so it still should be?
Of course we all know it is illegal to work on Christmas Day, a statute of 677 that has not been repealed, all those doctors and nurses should be arrested.
And I am sure you have never driven to, or parked near a church on Christmas day, because that is also illegal.

'Well, no, because Angela Rayner doesn't have a drink problem. Nadine Dorries, however, does. That's purely factual, not an unpleasant comment.'

Fascinating. You think because it's been said on here repeatedly then it is true! You do know this isn't a news channel don't you?

You don’t trust news sources anyway. Presumably you’ve seen Dorries’ behaviour in the chamber recently? Clutching her stomach and pretending to be overcome with laughter one day, shouting “You’re boring” at the leader of the opposition the next? If she wasn’t drunk, what was her excuse for behaving like a seven year old?

Johnson looked quite like he was upset as he left the chamber. All his dreams of being the next Churchill are dust now.

He had a huge majority, and a chance to show real statesmanship. All he had to do was not fuck around, lie and then lie again.

He'll still have a lovely life though, milking the last three years for all they are worth and sponging off people wealthier than him.

'One bad apple spoils the barrel'

Well, a variety on the fave on these threads ' the fish rots from the head' I suppose.

One bad apple. It's ludicrous. In a democracy we have a brilliant PM brought down by ex employees feeding guff to the msm. Yes he's gone, no I'm not sobbing or loosing sleep over it but if any of you had a teensy bit of awareness you would realise the msm should not run the country.

Hold folk to account yes but the widespread msm witch hunt started by them wailing 'higest death toll!' In 2020 which we know is bollocks has been absolutely relentless and farcical.

No, that's not why I think it's true. You really must get out of this habit of making up fictional reasons for what people post.

Dorries looking the worse for wear

twitter.com/i/status/1323573000936017920

A brilliant PM? Oh please.

"In Britain's biggest energy price crisis since the 1970s, @beisgovuk SoS @KwasiKwarteng writes to pull out of today's important evidence session, having agreed to it on 13 June.

He gives no explanation nor apology. This is not the way for senior Ministers to treat scrutiny."

twitter.com/commonseac/status/1549719809817968640?s=21&t=-s8Gl7vB3jrTqZP3PtpR7Q

Once again an absolute fear of Parliamentary scrutiny.
This is a failing Government.

This isn’t a failing government, this is no government.

Thanks Quia. That was exactly my point. I really don't think it was churlish and I'm sorry that @derxa does. She is someone whose posts over the years I've enjoyed and learned from (especially on farming issues)

His own cabinet forced him to go because of the Pincher debacle. Even they couldn't stomach repeating Johnson's lies about employing a known sex pest with a known drink problem..

Yes.