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What happened to my son

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MySon · 23/06/2022 23:57

My son has told me that he is transgender. This means that, at the age of 23 he sees himself as a woman.

My son says that the name we gave him is his 'dead' name.

My question is - what happened to my son. Did he die?

I feel like I am grieving but not allowed to show or process my grief. What happened to my son, is he dead?

OP posts:
LuaDipa · 24/06/2022 07:37

Your child is 23. Old enough to know their own mind and make an informed decision about this.

I can understand this is difficult, painful even but you are oddly fixated on whether you have a son and your own experiences. Have you spoken to your child? Have you asked her how she felt growing up? Chances are she has felt like this for a long time and you never really had the son you thought you had.

Talk to your child. Ask her, kindly, what brought her to this decision. Ask her how long she has felt like this. Tell her you love her and support her. You still have your child, they are not dead. Take this opportunity to get to know the child you have rather than the one you thought you have. Stop clinging on to your ‘lost’ son and embrace your child as they are. As difficult as this is for you it will have been far more difficult for them.

Snuffy28 · 24/06/2022 07:38

AmericanStickInsect · 24/06/2022 07:27

Think about your shared history with your child. His conception, where his sex was determined. All those cells multiplying within you, the mundane magic of growth that happened inside you. The anxiety that it would go wrong, that something would go wrong in this insanely complicated process, the joy and relief when it didn't. That everything grew correctly, everything formed, including his reproductive organs. For a while, you were part male part female. He shed cells when he was inside you, they will still be inside you.
When he was born he came out naked. A naked baby boy. You took it all in with your eyes, you held him close, you smelt him, saw him for the first time, made him promises, maybe shared your milk, you skin flora.
You were caretaker of that body, you got to know it so well over the coming years. Cleaned it, wiped it, held it, smelt it, kissed it better, caught it, carried it, dressed it, strapped it in safely, grabbed a hand before it could run into a road.
The total access to his body, the complete unselfconsciousness, changed over time. And you passed on your knowledge and care to him. All those things you did for him, you taught him to do himself. You taught him to care for that body you grew.
Then he took those skills and ran with it. His own mind whirring and maturing. He made independent decisions, choices, preferences. Behaviour that came out of nowhere. His future more real to him now, his self still a bit of a mystery.
The baby that you grew became a man. Always your son, with you as a Mum, and all those years of shared history are in the past now, where nothing can touch them. They happened, they're real, and no one can change the past. You get to keep them. You get to keep all those memories and all those experiences. They will be written in your body as well as your heart and mind
Because you took such good care, that naked baby that has grown. It's the same body you birthed, the fact you are his Mum is written in his DNA. Nothing happened to it, no tragedy has befallen it, no catastrophic injury or life changing event. Your son is here today, with a body he can uses as he sees fit, to carry him through the world, because of tender care from you and the randomness of chance we all contend with.
Whatever words come out his mouth, however he clothes that body, none of the past changes. None of his sex changes. None of his cells, his history, his DNA, his genetics ticking away inside him. If you want to find your son, the baby you conceived and grew and birthed and raised, just walk straight to his door. He's there. You can touch him, hear his voice, feel his warmth. This is a true gift not every parent has.
Calling him by a different name is hurtful. So hurtful. But this is part of the deal when we raise children, they grow away from us and choose what to reject and what to keep of the things we gave them.
You get to choose what to keep too. You can keep his name inside your head and heart.
We bend ourselves to fit around our children, we play games, we allow decisions we would disagree with, we sometimes let them learn the hard way, they baffle us, they don't accept our experience as worth anything. We let them explore because no one stays a baby forever.
My advice would be to do what you've always done. Care for and protect his body. Prevent him changing it in any way you reasonably can. No hormones or surgery. This isn't for you but a continuation of the same gift you have always been giving him, a healthy body use throughout his life.
However he is baffling you right now, however he is rejecting the things you gave him, stay calm and present for him. Support him by staying connected. Support him by staying you, his loving Mum.
No, you don't have a daughter. You have a son who wants to be referred to as a daughter for reasons you can't understand.
Yes, you had a son, and he is still here. You get to keep all the things that belong to you.
He gets to reject some of the things that belong to him.
The pain in him doing that can be bourne, and overcome.
He came out a naked baby boy. Underneath anything else it's the same body. Still here, the same heart beating in his chest as beat inside you. The same hands and feet that pushed your womb from the inside.
You'll always be his Mum, he'll always be your son.

I am confidently expecting the OP to answer this detailed explanation with ...."But do I still have a son?"

Chicca1970 · 24/06/2022 07:38

Respect your child’s transition - she is still your child with the same memories and experiences of childhood that you share as a parent - still the same person - you should not ‘grieve’ your boy just learn to accept that your boy feels a lot more happy and fulfilled as a girl and support her.

Ohthatsexciting · 24/06/2022 07:43

you should not ‘grieve’ your boy just learn to accept that your boy feels a lot more happy and fulfilled as a girl

I doubt that many actually do feel “a lot more happy and fulfilled”

I suspect that for many it’s a phase and actually just causes more confusion and unhappiness and then… with age, they settle down, as most of us did as we emerged from our teens and early twenties

Anothernamechangeplease · 24/06/2022 07:43

Honestly speaking, yes, I believe that you still have a son, but you will no longer be able to talk about him in those terms, and you just need to accept that. He may change his mind in the future or he may not.

Your male child has not changed sex, therefore he is still your son, and I believe that he will always be your son. However, he has made it clear that he wishes to live as a woman and be referred to as your daughter. As his mother, you need to accept and respect those wishes, even if you don't like, understand or even agree with them.

Regardless of your private opinions on the matter, your child's feelings and wishes are the most important thing here. As a mum, you need to support your child's choices so that they can live the life that feels right for them. You can grieve the life that you imagined for them, by all means, but don't allow that grief to get in the way of the relationship that you have with your child, as they need your support more than ever.

Gnusmas · 24/06/2022 07:45

MySon · 24/06/2022 02:04

If he was my husband, I could divorce him if I did not choose to participate in his life choices.

This is my son. I don't want to 'divorce' him. I just want to know whether or not I have a son.

That's it. Is that a lot to ask?

OP you're in shock and trauma which 9s completely understandable. Please get some advice from the Bayswater support group for parents & carers of children who are transitioning or who have gender dysphoria. It's run by parents who have experienced similar situations to the one you've experienced.

www.bayswatersupport.org.uk/

Ohthatsexciting · 24/06/2022 07:47

smile op
poker face
call him whatever he wants to be called
no judgement no comment
bide your time

in all likelihood, unless you weren’t aware of this coming for many years, he will change his mind when (hopefully) this trend starts to slow down.

Seraphinesupport · 24/06/2022 07:52

sorry but you sound deranged... I wouldnt be happy with my kids suddenly changing BUT the way you talk about it sounds a little strange also repeating yourself over and over. I think you may need some help x

WalkerWalking · 24/06/2022 07:52

The extreme end of gender ideology can be very hurtful, and makes no logical sense.

I would be supportive towards my son and probably try to use the correct words around him, but in my head it would just be my son choosing to "dress like a girl" (whatever that may mean 🙄)

You don't have to suddenly abandon everything you've ever believed because a few angry people on twitter say you have to. And thought-crime is still not a thing.

ZaZathecat · 24/06/2022 07:53

I understand how you feel. My close relative went through the same. The adult son who transitioned to female refuse to talk about the boy/man who had existed before and would not accept my relative referring to him at all. It was as if she was meant to forget he had ever existed. A supportive partner (not the father) and some counselling helped, but I think there is still grief there after many years.

MistyFuckingQuigley · 24/06/2022 07:53

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 24/06/2022 02:20

I'm not grieving the life I wanted for him. I am grieving my life.

I know it's sudden and a shock but you are looking at this through a very selfish filter.

This is about his/her life, not yours.

He/she was brave enough to talk to you honestly about it.

I hope you have been more supportive in real life than you come across in your posts. Or you really will lose them.

Do some googling, ask people, talk to people. Educate yourself.

But her son doesn't exist in a vacuum, his life choices will affect other people. She's not selfish, she just wants to know how to deal with it.

WalkerWalking · 24/06/2022 07:54

Seraphinesupport · 24/06/2022 07:52

sorry but you sound deranged... I wouldnt be happy with my kids suddenly changing BUT the way you talk about it sounds a little strange also repeating yourself over and over. I think you may need some help x

I think she's probably just in a bit of an emotional storm atm.

Bonesofache · 24/06/2022 07:54

Yes you still have a son. He's a son with mental health issues though, so you need to love and support him. You sound like an annoying wet blanket, trying to turn this into a philosophical debate. He's confused and self indulgent.

BobLemon · 24/06/2022 07:55

Well the OP is a bit hard work.

sleepyhoglet · 24/06/2022 07:56

stitchinguru · 24/06/2022 01:31

@Rolana
I am glad I am not the only bereaved parent who feels like this…
Someone who has actually lost a child finds it difficult to vocalise that and the choice of language being used here is so inappropriate- in the broadest sense of the word.

The language of calling your old self "dead" is trans language and not what the OP wants to use. Her son is referring to the he part of himself in that way. It's wrong and extreme unfortunately

hidinginthekitchenwithwine · 24/06/2022 07:56

I don't think it helps that when people transition, there's this focus on "dead names" and rewriting the past. It's not a dead name. It was his name. I think there needs to be some give and take between those transitioning and their families. When Caitlin Jenner was transitioning for
example, they at least had the empathy to understand that Kylie and Kendall would still want to refer to them as Dad.

Jalisco · 24/06/2022 07:56

I'm sorry if you cannot respect and support your child's adult choices, whether or not you personally agree. But you are coming across as extremely selfish, making this all about you. If your child had died, you would have cause to be distressed and to grieve. Your child is alive. Be grateful and whatever the future brings in terms of choices, support them because you love them.

MistyFuckingQuigley · 24/06/2022 07:57

PicaK · 24/06/2022 02:37

You had a child. You seem very hung up on what gender the child was. Wasn't the joy of having a child enough. Did you really experience everything as "I'm walking to school with MY SON" ? It feels like you attached a value to having a son. The inner person, the personality etc haven't gone away.

She's not hung up on his gender, he seems to be saying to her that he has now changed sex, that's the problem here. If a man just chooses to change gender then that's not so much a problem, it's just personality after all. But to say that she never had a son, that's cruel.

Chicca1970 · 24/06/2022 07:58

@Ohthatsexciting I think it’s great that she’s come to her Mum and expressed this. It must be bloody difficult for a parent but I know that I would 100% support and just accept. Of course, if it changes and is just a phase as a parent you have to be there to pick up the pieces. I am going through a tough time with DD20 at the moment - I want to have a complete meltdown sometimes but remain calm and just continue to reach out and support. Also, OP needs to look after herself and get support - if it was me, I would contact a transgender support group and get some sound advice from people who have firsthand experience.

GingerScallop · 24/06/2022 07:59

Tubs11 · 24/06/2022 01:05

Your son has morphed into your daughter, just like a caterpillar turns into a butterfly. Your child is evolving - embrace the future and cherish past memories

This may be a good way for you to cope. PLEASE do not compare your son/daughter's metamorphosis to death. YOU can still talk to her, have diners with her. The tears you will shade because you remember bringing home a boy, dressing him in blue shorts and nurturing a boy are very different from those that mothers who will never ever see their dead, buried children shade. You can still watch your new daughter laugh. You can have anxiety as she negotiates her new word and feel pride when she succeeds. For those that lost children (to death), all the pride and anxiety is in the past. No new ones. At least respect that difference.

Take a moment to process this. But at the end of the day, be grateful your child is alive

GingerScallop · 24/06/2022 08:01

Chicca1970 · 24/06/2022 07:58

@Ohthatsexciting I think it’s great that she’s come to her Mum and expressed this. It must be bloody difficult for a parent but I know that I would 100% support and just accept. Of course, if it changes and is just a phase as a parent you have to be there to pick up the pieces. I am going through a tough time with DD20 at the moment - I want to have a complete meltdown sometimes but remain calm and just continue to reach out and support. Also, OP needs to look after herself and get support - if it was me, I would contact a transgender support group and get some sound advice from people who have firsthand experience.

Good advice: accept and support, take care of yourself, reach out to experienced people for advice and support. I could use this advice myself

GreenWhiteViolet · 24/06/2022 08:03

I'm sorry you're going through this, OP. Yes, you still have a son, even if it feels as if he's trying to erase his past. 'Deadname' is such a horrible term. He's not dead. He's struggling with his mental health.

It's okay to feel sad about this, and cry if you need to. You're affected by this too, and it must be difficult. Taking the time to process it emotionally will mean you're more able to stay calm and supportive when you're actually talking to him - I don't think the dismissive 'it's not about you' comments are helpful. From your son's perspective, it's probably not, but that doesn't mean you're unaffected.

I hope you managed to get some sleep and you're feeling a bit better when you look back here.

MistyFuckingQuigley · 24/06/2022 08:04

@caringcarer

As long as he has a penis you have a son.

Even if he had his penis removed he would still be male because no one can change sex. Also, the vast majority of transwomen do not get rid of their penis.

Lalliella · 24/06/2022 08:11

It’s very insensitive to describe your son as dead. There are actual grieving parents out there who have lost sons who would give anything to have them back as daughters or anything. You need to stop being melodramatic and think about the best ways to support your child through what they’re going through.

7eleven · 24/06/2022 08:13

You have a living, breathing CHILD. Be happy for that.

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