Boris Johnson, parties and the Sue Gray report fall out. Thread 6

[DuncinToffee]

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Sliver of good news - Harriet Harman will chair privileges committee investigation in to whether Johnson lied to Parliament. Report due late Autumn - wonder if it will come out before or after conference season.

Liz Truss tying herself up in knots on breakfast news this morning.

On Rwanda, at the moment it is 7 on the flight leaving tonight, possibly going down to 3. Apart from the policy itself which is disgusting (and has been condemned by Church and 120 charities), I find it obscene that a massive jet is flying thousands of miles with hardly anyone on board. The cost is horrendous and it will not make a jot of difference to what is happening as far as immigration.

I honestly think this is being done to appease the fanbase and for PPatel to look like she's doing something. I just don't trust this shitshow of a Government on anything.

yes it is amazing that they can find money to spaff for forced removals and to cover for Rishi's 11 billion pound losses.
The court cases aren't over though - the emergency injunctions may have been turned down but the policy itself hasn't yet been determined (I think).

My thinking, listening to the Appeal Court judge - which was severely constrained in what it could consider - was that he gave a road map of what should be put forward in opposition during the judicial review.

It was along the lines of "these are the aspects that we weren't able to consider in this appeal but they are still important matters of law." (I'm paraphrasing).

Truss kept defending it by saying they want to punish the traffickers.

Makes sense then to actually punish their victims instead.

All that money wasted to prove a non existing point but no free school meals for children

The deportation going ahead also doesn’t mean the policy is lawful. There will be a hearing on this next month.

I was reading that the plane will be coming back with c50 Congolese refugees as the agreement with Rwanda is a reciprocal one.

So 50-4 (the latest number expected to be on the plane) = 46 more refugees in the UK.

Has anyone seen any confirmation of this?

And even that isn’t working, Steve Baker wants him gone.

I have seen similar claims prettybird but no official confirmation.

Today is the 5th anniversary of the Grenfell Towers fire

I'm sure it's not something that this execrable Government wants publicised

That’s a good summary, did you pick up any notion of what they weren’t able to consider?

Sources at the moment just feel like an overwhelming collection of protests - getting on with the job is working out well.

Can't remember @Cornettoninja - I'm not a lawyer. It was just the impression that I got.

Ah fair enough @prettybird

It's going well today

Boris Johnson’s spokesman unable to point to a single independent legal expert who says the Prime Minister's plan to break his deal with the EU complies with international law.

(Adam Bienkov)

Here is Lord Geidt…

The Govt’s Independent Advisor

The one who is supposed to hold the PM and Ministers to account

Telling us that the ‘independent’ bit of his title is just some meaningless fluff that came with the job…

t.co/2FHeIgRcrj

(Marina Purkiss)

Latest update on the Rwanda deportations

UK Supreme Court says there is only ONE appellant from the case that came before the Court of Appeal yesterday who is still facing removal to Rwanda.

Sorry, I cut off this bit at the end

It’s possible there are other people who were not part of that legal challenge.

That’s bittersweet news @DuncinToffee. I can’t imagine what’s going through the head of that one person… the whole thing is just dreadful.

Fingers crossed they don’t use them as a political point and run a flight just for them.

Ah - just saw your second post! It’s such a tangle of information isn’t it?

Yes it is, could be 7 or just 1, it's all so horrible

And then there is this as well
Supreme Court refuses permission to hear further appeal

but

in part on the basis that the Home Secretary has given an undertaken that appellant will be returned in the event that the High Court holds policy unlawful at substantive hearing

Imagine having to go through this inhumane process only to be told it was illegal so now you can come back to the UK

This seems reliable information

NEW: Number on the Rwanda flight now DOWN to 6 - comes after the move from the European Court of Human Rights to grant injunction which I just tweeted.
twitter.com/ShehabKhan/status/1536761984594608138?t=A0GtbMQdicG8RD7oDgXbFQ&s=19

twitter.com/LBC/status/1536758836102578176?t=p3PXzYEMxA2Orfi1idsLnA&s=19

If this is true, and I don't doubt it, it's horrendous
Those leaving on the flight are a married man with children, who has relatives in Carlisle, some who have been victims of torture, two have family in UK, a Syrian refugee who refused to join the murderous army and who is on hunger strike, and some who are suicidal

I feel sick about what we have become

Of all the things this disgusting apology for a government has done this is the worst. It makes me so ashamed.

Those poor people. Angela Rayner was right all the time. The Tory party is scum.

At this point I have to agree with LBC host JOB, the whole point of the Rwanda scheme is to appease the thirsty little Englanders and to display our cruelness, sorry, determination to ‘get the job done’. At any conceivable cost.