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Boris Johnson, parties and the Sue Gray report fall out. Thread 6

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DuncinToffee · 01/06/2022 20:18

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tobee · 11/06/2022 17:38

That fits with him thinking it would be fine to do the Mumsnet interview @ApplesandBunions

ancientgran · 11/06/2022 17:49

I live in Devon and I didn't know he was here, on the local news they just showed him in Cornwall. I'd have liked to go and boo.

derxa · 11/06/2022 18:09

twitter.com/NFUtweets/status/1535585161106137089
BJ with a grim faced Minette Batters (head of English NFU) at the Royal Cornwall Show.

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Blossomtoes · 11/06/2022 18:52

ApplesandBunions · 11/06/2022 14:51

Or maybe he wanted to go because he hasn't realised how toxic he is, and nobody tried talking him out of it because the harder he crashes, the more likely they are to be able to boot him out.

I usually tend to assume stupidity rather than grand plans in such situations though.

I think this is most likely.

Peregrina · 11/06/2022 22:29

And since there has to be a GE within a couple of years, it's perfectly safe to vote the Tories out this time, to make a statement, and then revert to type for the next GE.

DuncinToffee · 11/06/2022 22:30

derxa · 11/06/2022 18:09

twitter.com/NFUtweets/status/1535585161106137089
BJ with a grim faced Minette Batters (head of English NFU) at the Royal Cornwall Show.

Johnson just told her his latest plan "Grow for Britain*

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Peregrina · 11/06/2022 22:40

Why didn't he resurrect the slogan 'Dig for Victory'?

DuncinToffee · 11/06/2022 23:56

That will be next once he realises that crops are rotting in fields thanks to worker shortages.

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the80sweregreat · 12/06/2022 08:31

I thought that many farmers and land owners voted leave? The NFU didn't really back remain ( source, mumsnet)
Glad to be told differently though!

InMySpareTime · 12/06/2022 08:34

There's a chance the farmers/landowners were fed a line about helping British workforces rather than Itinerant Europeans, and that they thought "cutting red tape" would benefit agriculture.
These things may not have been true or borne out in reality.

borntobequiet · 12/06/2022 08:53

Timeline of the NFU’s work on Brexit:
www.nfuonline.com/updates-and-information/timeline-of-the-nfu-s-work-on-brexit/#Timeline

2016
Based on its report – Implications of a UK Exit from the EU For British Agriculture – and other existing evidence available at the time, NFU Council resolved that the interests of farmers were best served by remaining in the European Union. A series of 28 member meetings were held, which all members were welcome to attend, at which the details of the report were outlined.

Report:
www.nfuonline.com/archive?treeid=61142

I believe it’s true though that the sector in general voted leave. Agriculture and Fishing fell for the Leave lies bigtime without considering any of the downsides of cutting ties with out biggest trading partner for food. Really quite astonishing.

Peregrina · 12/06/2022 09:07

But it is possible that with better negotiators farmers and fishermen could have got a more acceptable deal. Instead we had unprepared negotiators threatening to walk out all the time, and so pig-headed that if a decent deal came with a sniff of the letters ECJ as a final arbiter of a dispute, they didn't want to know. I have just read a Brexiter wittering on this morning about wanting to make our own laws - by definition international treaties involve other nations.

Cornettoninja · 12/06/2022 09:22

I don’t understand why brexiters are still banging on about ‘remainers’. It’s redundant now, the most the average remainer can do is pop up with the occasional ‘I told you so’.

Its just distraction from the fact that the architects of brexit don’t have any solutions, capability or guts to roll back on their misguided goals to manage the problems they’ve created.

I voted remain and when leave won the best I could hope for was that the fervent leave supporters were half right and it would be ok (it was never going to be a success by any traditional measurement). I can’t have that hope anymore because there’s no one steering the country with any confidence or plan. The best I’ve been offered is ‘well it’ll be hard for a few years but your children and grandchildren will benefit’. Great, so when you’re dead you’re not going to be around to take any responsibility for what you created. Sterling work, let’s hope my kids make it through without suffering malnutrition and poverty and the kind of crime ridden society that operates in those conditions eh?

AmaryIlis · 12/06/2022 09:29

I agree, it's almost as if it's the fault of remainers that Brexit hasn't turned out to be the wonderland leavers thought they would get when they voted. Bearing in mind the way they were constantly crowing "You lost, get over it" after the vote, I'm always tempted to respond "You won, get over it" just to blow their minds.

ApplesandBunions · 12/06/2022 09:38

I agree, it's almost as if it's the fault of remainers that Brexit hasn't turned out to be the wonderland leavers thought they would get when they voted.

That was always, always going to happen. I called it in 2016. The alternative would be taking responsibility for supporting something that, even if one feels it's a good idea in theory, obviously didn't have any substantive plan or leadership behind it and thus entailed taking a significant risk. Which isn't very likely.

Piggywaspushed · 12/06/2022 09:47

How could this man possibly care about anything to do with cost of living crisis?

www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/tory-ministers-wife-buys-second-supermarket-as-brits-face-soaring-food-prices/ar-AAYlTnY?ocid=st

Piggywaspushed · 12/06/2022 09:49

Brandon Lewis on BBC right now basically saying constituents' letters don't count if they are Labour voters.

prettybird · 12/06/2022 09:58

So much for their duty being to the country first, then to their constituents - all of them - and then and only then the Party. Hmm

But we already knew that this incarnation of the Conservative Party had thrown out those basic principles of a Parliamentary democracy Angry - and ejected those that still adhered to such "outdated" beliefs Sad

Piggywaspushed · 12/06/2022 10:03

Dan Poulter won't fess up as to how he voted in the VONC now... pretty sure he voted NC but frustrating that he won't say.

derxa · 12/06/2022 10:45

I believe it’s true though that the sector in general voted leave. Agriculture and Fishing fell for the Leave lies bigtime without considering any of the downsides of cutting ties with out biggest trading partner for food. Really quite astonishing.
This sort of comment has been infuriating me since 2016. I'm a farmer and voted Remain and would do again and I know many others who did the same. People in England and Wales 'in general' voted for Brexit. People in Scotland and NI voted 'in general' to remain. Farmers with long memories remember the dictats of the EEC and fiascos such as the milk lakes. They just wanted shot of bureaucracy. However English farmers in particular have been hit by a perfect storm. Brexit, a government which seems to want to 'rewild' farmland, reduction of subsidies and sky high fuel and fertilizer prices. It seems like there is an unwritten plan to turn the English countryside from a place where food is produced into a middle class playground. Not so much in Scotland.
Food production should be a priority in this country but it's not because the country is run by urbanite ex journalists and ex lawyers.

itsgettingweird · 12/06/2022 10:51

Cornettoninja · 12/06/2022 09:22

I don’t understand why brexiters are still banging on about ‘remainers’. It’s redundant now, the most the average remainer can do is pop up with the occasional ‘I told you so’.

Its just distraction from the fact that the architects of brexit don’t have any solutions, capability or guts to roll back on their misguided goals to manage the problems they’ve created.

I voted remain and when leave won the best I could hope for was that the fervent leave supporters were half right and it would be ok (it was never going to be a success by any traditional measurement). I can’t have that hope anymore because there’s no one steering the country with any confidence or plan. The best I’ve been offered is ‘well it’ll be hard for a few years but your children and grandchildren will benefit’. Great, so when you’re dead you’re not going to be around to take any responsibility for what you created. Sterling work, let’s hope my kids make it through without suffering malnutrition and poverty and the kind of crime ridden society that operates in those conditions eh?

Echoes my feelings too.

Also a remainer but I also had hope that the reason Brexit supporter friends gave for their decision to vote leave would be true.

And I also often wonder with a better government if they could be right still.

DuncinToffee · 12/06/2022 10:57

A better government wouldn't have pushed the no deal Brexit.

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borntobequiet · 12/06/2022 11:00

Looks like the farming leave vote was broadly in line with the popular vote, about 1% more.

www.fwi.co.uk/news/farmer-support-brexit-strong-ever-fw-poll-reveals

DuncinToffee · 12/06/2022 11:00

Piggywaspushed · 12/06/2022 09:49

Brandon Lewis on BBC right now basically saying constituents' letters don't count if they are Labour voters.

From Haggis_UK

Sophie Raworth shows Brandon Lewis Boris Johnson's dismal approval ratings

Brandon Lewis - My post boxes say support is there for the PM

SR: You don't get criticism about the PM?

BL: Criticism is from Labour supporters.. people are in full support of of the PM..

twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1535923155709067264?t=r6gpv_2vE4RcF5Rj0YK8jQ&s=19

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Cornettoninja · 12/06/2022 11:12

And I also often wonder with a better government if they could be right still

me too. I just have to hope this lot don’t do too much irreparable damage.

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