Boris Johnson, parties and the Sue Gray report fall out. Thread 6

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Thanks for the timings folks.
I want him to squeak in by a tiny majority.
I wonder how he feels this morning, busy on the phone no doubt

Someone is still not getting the memo from the public.
They've lost the people they are supposed to represent.
Whoever wrote that strategy is an idiot.

Great news. About time the lying bag of lies was shown that we expect better from our politicians (even Tories 😁)

I predicted Tuesday so no win for me though!

He'll be out by the end of the year either way, I've got money on it.

Jesse Norman made some very good points, but I wouldn't actually credit Johnson for doing much in Ukraine. Yes, he went running off there at the beginning, but there is still a war going on. He hasn't been able to broker a peace between the two sides.

As for Covid - a no there too, except he got lucky with the vaccines. If we hadn't had decent NHS staff and volunteers to deliver the programme that would have been a failure too.

I agree, it was always a risky strategy.

I maintain that Cameron’s exit following the brexit vote utterly screwed them. Whoever was being groomed whilst he was in office was ousted by the backers of leave (who never expected to actually win and have to deliver). I don’t know for certain but I highly suspect that this lot have paid no attention or consideration to guiding the next generation of tories for future office. They’ve simply got no concept of a world beyond their own trough and their own lack of introspection allows them to still think that they’re the dogs bollocks.

They’ve destroyed the tories alongside British political standards. Hooligans, the lot of them.

Johnson most certainly wasn't a proven election winner in the local elections. Those held nearest to me had Tory candidates promoting themselves under the Local Conservative banner. This did not seem like a ringing endorsement of Johnson's leadership.

From what Brady is saying it looks like a bunch of letters were written and submitted immediately following the release of the Sue Gray report and post-dated to 6th June. I reckon he's got way over 54.

I think he will win, but it is the beginning of the end for him.

What a stupid, sad person he is.

He had an overwhelming majority and could have done so much (although I doubt I would have agreed with much of it!).

His failures over covid were forgiven by a lot of people because of the success of the vaccine programme. He could have been unstoppable.

Now he is reviled by many of his own, because he didn't have the integrity or guts to stick to a few rules at a time of emergency. All he has to fall back on is scapegoating refugees and reintroducing imperial measures and the crown sign on glasses.

He has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory and his legacy is poison.

The vaccine roll out was a success, but only because the scientists were already working on it a long time before but had to really fight for the funding to carry on pre covid times , but as England found with the World Cup win in 1966 , you can only dine on it for so long before people start saying ' well, what about now ? '
That hasn't gone that well over the years either!
I still think he'll win this vote tonight

But they didn't credit the scientists, instead they claimed it was all down to Brexit.

"Anyone who believes our country is stronger, fairer & more prosperous when led by Conservatives should reflect that the consequence of not changing will be to hand the country to others who do not share those values. Today’s decision is change or lose. I will be voting for change"

https://twitter.com/jeremyhunt/status/1533748133699657728?s=21&t==92BBQ7UbYejCVCZGuepQ

So Jeremy Hunt will run.

Not that Hunt running is a surprise. Good that he's making it plain however. I thought he might wait.

A lot will hang on the red wall MPs. I expect Johnson is currently promising them the moon on a stick.

I listened to Dr Sarah Gilbert at the Dimbleby lecture in Jan on tv and she was explaining how it all worked and why they could develop their vaccine faster in 2020 / 21 because suddenly money wasn't a barrier to them after years of fighting for funding and being turned down or having to wait a year to see what they could get.
It was a real insight , one that Boris Johnson and co isn't that keen on bringing up. If at all.

It turns out that Jesse Norman is married to Kate Bingham who was in charge of the vaccine procurement.

I think though we should give her her due, it was a success and she did well in the role, but I suspect that they got lucky appointing her.

Ah good the person who almost single handedly managed to ensure that the NHS and social care were woefully underprepared for a pandemic, which was top of the list of threats to the UK thinks they ought to run the country.
Joyous.

Nothing he can possibly promise them will make up for the fact that unless they ditch him they're out of a job in two and a half years time. I think that the "return to imperial measurements" announcement was probably the last nail in the coffin for them. The implication that that's the best idea he's got to turn around catastrophic polling is just comically bad.

John Penrose Tory MP has resigned as the PM's Anti Corruption Champion. He's married to Dido Harding her of the Track and Trace 37billion black hole

Sorry I need to rant. Jacob Rees Mogg. I want to hit him round the head with a stale wet kipper. Just who the helld does he think he is saying the VONC is nothing. Not damaging, not surprising. And he says BJ is 'an exceptionally good forward looking Prime Minister'

Dorries and Rees Mogg know that the minute bojo is gone they are back on the backbenches. No one else would be mad enough to have them in their cabinet.

Dorries tweet this morning is dripping with sycophancy. Laughable. If BJ goes, so does she, I agree.
Especially since all the mistakes live on air she's made. She's clueless

Exactly. No hopers, the pair of them.

Mogg burbling that he learned from his mistakes over the Theresa May confidence vote. Slimy twit thinks the plebs are stupid.

He's a vile patronising man. Dismissing the VONC as 'trivial' and 'over a birthday cake'

What bugs me is that the £38 billion Test & Trace contract given to cronies the private sector is called the NHS Test & Trace, whereas the Vaccine rollout, which was done by the NHS, the Government takes all the credit for