Boris and his fines part 4

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Previous thread. More to come on the subject matter

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My missing in action conservative MP has just turned up on daily politics. I'm so glad she has prioritised media over responding to her constituents.

I thought you didn't like personal attacks... like Johnson's hair and crumpled suits that you've kicked up about before?

Yet you're OK to talk about Ed Milliband, a decent man, 'spitting and gurning'. He has more moral fibre in his little finger than in BJ's whole body.

Did you actually listen to what he said?
Nah... thought not

Miliband has slightly hypernasal speech. He had an operation to correct a deviated septum. He does not have a speech disorder.
Signed
A Former Speech and Language Therapist

'I thought you didn't like personal attacks.'

It's the inconsistency I've pointed out more tbh. So we've had Bozo/ 'big baby' for 'blustering buffoon' Johnson, stupid 'Nads' who apparently wants BJ to undo his flies, 'little Matty' Hancock yet folk try to tell me off for mentioning Angie's overdone ringlets, calling Starmer 'Keith' and such like.

We should perhaps call a truce and call them all by their proper names and not mock any of them, ever.

72% of voters say the government is handling the economy badly, according to a new YouGov poll. This is the highest level they've ever recorded.
twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1526529394449195010?t=OSJik6t1YBr2WRB-RW5dsQ&s=19

A resonance disorder.
Perhaps as a former SaLT you might need to brush up on your knowledge if you’re going to be bandying it about?
But as a Former SaLT you might like to give your opinion on online attacks based on how someone speaks? Or not. As you wish

And only if you do it for 10 minutes at a time, before having a break for a party, or a holiday at someone else's expense.

Does that mean there are 28% who think they are handling it well. Now I can accept that the government will have chucked bungs at some of their mates and so they might say that they are handling it well, but who are these other 27.9% of people?

He doesn't have any sort of disorder. We each have a unique vocal tract. He didn't have an operation to correct the nasal quality of his speech.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2011/jul/27/ed-miliband-nose-operation-voice

What Ed Miliband says is far more important that his way of speaking (I believe he has a slight lisp?). Here he is today, wiping the floor with Sunak and the Tories. I'd be really happy for him to come back as leader.

parliamentlive.tv/event/index/fa7ecaff-5e13-45ad-a4f2-26a5097e1894?in=14:24:55

@derxa amusing though your flip flopping about something you brought up is, it’s very much a Squirrel (a SaLTy one?), so 🤷‍♀️

Would you agree that ridiculing the way someone speaks is not acceptable? I do hope so, as a Former SaLT
Or is it ok if they represent a political party you don’t agree with? I can line up some Conservatives whose speech isn’t clear and RP if so. Except I wouldn’t, because I’m not a dick and prefer to listen to the message rather than the delivery.

I like Ed Miliband very much. I think he speaks a lot of sense. Ridiculing the way someone speaks is repellent.

I thought David had a better chance out of the two, back then, although we didn’t get to find out

do you think the public would warm to him more a second time?

I don't know, Marsha. I expect the Mail and its acolytes would have the knives out for him from day one.

Miliband spoke out about phone hacking, News International, Murdoch and Leveson (and the failure to implement Leveson2) - the Mail would lose it's mind if he stood again.

I agree on Ed Milliband. Isn't it just the way of the world... you don't realise how good someone was until you're faced with the complete awfulness of what we've got now. I hanker for those days.

twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/1526578584147697666?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Go Ed!
Sunak looks extremely irritated with Milliband's speech in HoC.
Good

And there's more. Ed Milliband is on fire!

twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1526561372791775238

Its all very well and good Miliband going on and on, but no one knows what any of Labour's policies are.

At least with Boris Tories no one can be in any doubt that there principle and sole policy is to stay in power so that they can enrich themselves and their mates.

I don't like him or anyone in the Labour party. That is why I didn't vote this time for the first time in 50 plus years, because the whole of the Labour party think that people can change sex - they can't

I agree on Ed Milliband. Isn't it just the way of the world... you don't realise how good someone was until you're faced with the complete awfulness of what we've got now. I hanker for those days.

I wonder if Ed Milliband is able to do such a good job because he is not the leader, and so doesn't have all the burdens that brings.

It certainly seems to be the case that Keir Starmer is building a Shadow Cabinet of competent, knowledgeable, compassionate ministers. In contrast to the Prime Minister who would feel threaten by anyone competent or knowledgeable so has rid his party of them.

I do agree re Miliband, although I don’t mind Ed I much preferred David and thought Labour made a classic mistake of forgetting how people would vote when they selected his brother.

If David had been chosen, who knows we might not have had Brexit.

I struggle with the shadow cabinet in Labour in comparison to Labour of the old days, I’m not seeing the talent people keep mentioning on here but maybe there is someone I’ve missed. The ones I hear from now really do pale in comparison to earlier iterations of Labour

Does that mean there are 28% who think they are handling [the economy] well.

Some of our popular press, the Express for example, repeatedly tell their readers that he is handling the economy well. We see stats like "Fastest growth in the G7" without the understanding of why our short term growth was so fast when measured between well chosen dates, and strong emphasis on good news stories with no coverage of bad news.

the whole of the Labour party think that people can change sex - they can't

They can certainly live as the opposite sex in society - a different thing. It seems disingenuous to equate the two. Apparently they can be quite convincing. The task for the law is to work out how that works. The questions are complex because there are mutliple parties with multiple needs and a multitude of situations they meet in. Add in the medical complexities, which as I'm not a doctor I can't comment on with any sense of authority. Suffice to say, it doesn't seem as simple a question as you suggest.

Miliband spoke out about phone hacking, News International, Murdoch and Leveson (and the failure to implement Leveson2) - the Mail would lose it's mind if he stood again.

I wonder if it is this, and also talked of closing the Non-Dom tax loopholes, that causes them to be attacking Starmer at the moment. I do believe we need Leveson2 if not more.

I don’t think the media would let the public warm to Ed Milliband. They certainly didn’t last time.
I’d like to see Yvette Cooper come back to prominence in the Labour Party, but she’s too wise to do that at the moment.

Ridiculing the way someone speaks is repellent. Glad we agree on that @derxa I didn’t have you down as that type of poster.

If David had been chosen, who knows we might not have had Brexit.

We'd have not had Brexit if Farage hadn't been able to hold Cameron over a barrel by threatening to split the Right vote so taking the Tories from absolute power to absolutely powerlesss. Our First Past The Post system resulted in a party who should be no more than a few noisy MPs in the corner becoming the most powerful in the country. The current direction of the Conservatives seems in part to hold on to that sector of society and neutralise Farage by taking his more extreme policies.

A Proportion Parliament would also have meant that May could not have tried to dictate at the last minute and maybe we'd have had more discussion early on trying to find the right solution to the referendum that pleased everyone.