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Roussette · 2022-05-07T17:39:59+00:00

Previous thread. More to come on the subject matter [[https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4536641-boris-has-been-fined-part-3?reply=117100091]]

jgw1 · 15/05/2022 12:12

itsgettingweird · 15/05/2022 11:57

Thus confirming he's not fit to lead the country - he can't even control what goes on under his own roof!

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Is the Prime Minister supposed to lead the country?
I thought he was responsible for the pot plants and for party entertainment. Have I been mislead?

Blossomtoes · 15/05/2022 12:12

SueSaid · 15/05/2022 12:10

'Remind me how long it took to create the Nightingale hospitals. You know, the ones that were never used.'

A few weeks? Surely you aren't suggesting elderly people should have been kept in acute hospital beds after we'd seen hospitals in Italy be overwhelmed? Care homes should have isolated patients discharged from hospitals. I hope any future inquiry looks at care homes owners and what they did or didn't do.

First Nightingale opened on 3 April 2020 - 11 days after lockdown.

jgw1 · 15/05/2022 12:13

SueSaid · 15/05/2022 12:10

'Remind me how long it took to create the Nightingale hospitals. You know, the ones that were never used.'

A few weeks? Surely you aren't suggesting elderly people should have been kept in acute hospital beds after we'd seen hospitals in Italy be overwhelmed? Care homes should have isolated patients discharged from hospitals. I hope any future inquiry looks at care homes owners and what they did or didn't do.

Nasty party gonna nasty and blame someone else for their failings.

cakeorwine · 15/05/2022 12:17

SueSaid · 15/05/2022 11:43

'I find it interesting that someone is trying to say Johnson has no say over civil servants actions in Downing Street.'

I didn't say has 'no say', rather he can't be held responsible for their day to day behaviour, that is where line managers come in. For example if staff in your school were boozing surely, surely you'd expect the Head to sort it out and not Nadhim Zahawi?!

Once again.........what do you think the Covid risk assessment was for Downing Street?

I guess your workplace had one.

Someone knew about the parties. Someone must have realised that it went against risk assessment, let alone the guidance and the law.

And Johnson said that "All guidance was followed".
Then he had been reassured that all guidance was followed.

I would love to know what the actual guidance was for Downing Street itself.

Who signed off on it? Who was responsible for ensuring it was followed?
Was there a route for someone to raise concerns over it not being followed?

Who could complain if senior Ministers and even the PM himself was not following such guidance?

These are questions I would love to put to the Prime Minister.

Peregrina · 15/05/2022 12:33

JaniieJones - you really should be running the country, because you appear to have all the solutions.

Someone mentioned imagination. The only time this government uses imagination is when they dream up schemes to enrich themselves or their mates.

SueSaid · 15/05/2022 12:36

Peregrina · 15/05/2022 12:33

JaniieJones - you really should be running the country, because you appear to have all the solutions.

Someone mentioned imagination. The only time this government uses imagination is when they dream up schemes to enrich themselves or their mates.

I know it's true, I often think I should be PM .

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Roussette · 15/05/2022 12:43

Care homes should have isolated patients discharged from hospitals. I hope any future inquiry looks at care homes owners and what they did or didn't do.

Bloody hell.
Don't you remember what it was like for care home staff? They were scrabbling around for PPE, and trying their best to look after the elderly that were already in the home.
But let's blame the care homes, eh? Rather than blame the Government.

Luckily the High Court feels differently to you and ruled that discharging them into the stretched care homes was illegal.

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jgw1 · 15/05/2022 12:46

Roussette · 15/05/2022 12:43

Care homes should have isolated patients discharged from hospitals. I hope any future inquiry looks at care homes owners and what they did or didn't do.

Bloody hell.
Don't you remember what it was like for care home staff? They were scrabbling around for PPE, and trying their best to look after the elderly that were already in the home.
But let's blame the care homes, eh? Rather than blame the Government.

Luckily the High Court feels differently to you and ruled that discharging them into the stretched care homes was illegal.

Well it is not really surprising that those left wing woke judges would decide to rule against the government.
Just imagine if Jeremy Corbyn was Prime Minister.

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Roussette · 15/05/2022 12:51

jgw I'm just gobsmacked that anyone would rather blame any person or body than give a hint that the Government might've got something, just something, wrong.
Civil servants, care home staff, they're all at fault, but no no not BJ and his government, they could not possibly have been at fault. Not ever.

It's pretty pathetic actually.

No Government or PM has ever been perfect.

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Peregrina · 15/05/2022 13:05

I know it's true, I often think I should be PM

Oh come on now. Surely you aspire to more than watering the plants, and what else was it? Seeing that the photocopiers had toner and paper?

Notonthestairs · 15/05/2022 13:09

I think a very large proportion of the country would make a better Prime Minister than the one we have now.

jgw1 · 15/05/2022 13:16

Roussette · 15/05/2022 12:51

jgw I'm just gobsmacked that anyone would rather blame any person or body than give a hint that the Government might've got something, just something, wrong.
Civil servants, care home staff, they're all at fault, but no no not BJ and his government, they could not possibly have been at fault. Not ever.

It's pretty pathetic actually.

No Government or PM has ever been perfect.

The government got all the big decisions right.
Like what type of wine to have at their daily parties...

Peregrina · 15/05/2022 13:36

The government got all the big decisions right.
Like bungs to their friends.

jgw1 · 15/05/2022 13:48

Peregrina · 15/05/2022 13:36

The government got all the big decisions right.
Like bungs to their friends.

Well yes indeed. It is very important part of what any responsible government does to make sure that those who are already very rich get richer. It gives the poor something to aspire to.

itsgettingweird · 15/05/2022 14:21

Roussette · 15/05/2022 12:43

Care homes should have isolated patients discharged from hospitals. I hope any future inquiry looks at care homes owners and what they did or didn't do.

Bloody hell.
Don't you remember what it was like for care home staff? They were scrabbling around for PPE, and trying their best to look after the elderly that were already in the home.
But let's blame the care homes, eh? Rather than blame the Government.

Luckily the High Court feels differently to you and ruled that discharging them into the stretched care homes was illegal.

Don't forget staff sleeping in tents in care home gardens to avoid coming in contact outside of the home with covid and bringing it in.

These are people on minimum wage.

jgw1 · 15/05/2022 14:30

itsgettingweird · 15/05/2022 14:21

Don't forget staff sleeping in tents in care home gardens to avoid coming in contact outside of the home with covid and bringing it in.

These are people on minimum wage.

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Don't forget some nights Boris has to sleep in the poxy flat in Downing Street rather than being able to go home to Chequers.

ClaudineClare · 15/05/2022 14:40

Don't forget some nights Boris has to sleep in the poxy flat in Downing Street rather than being able to go home to Chequers

And he has to tolerate that wallpaper Carrie bought from TK Max. Must be soul* destroying for him.

Or would be, if he had one.

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Roussette · 15/05/2022 15:43

What next

Kwasi Karteng defends the government's decision to buy a '£20M party house' in New York

No, it's not April Fools Day

Here

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DuncinToffee · 15/05/2022 15:56

FFS at a NY party house

And here some more contracts for friends (article behind paywall, sorry for that)

Revealed: Baroness Mone’s husband has a financial interest in a company awarded £200 million worth of public contracts after she recommended it to the government.
^More digging on the Tory peer by
@HarryYorke1 @ArmitageJim and me^
t.co/rbzHzlmIxN
twitter.com/DipeshGadher/status/1525730819788132357?t=DZgB9tMKflGA4k8OBFBuxw&s=19

ClaudineClare · 15/05/2022 16:08

I am just so fed up of this. It is completely depressing and demoralising.

Many of us are struggling in various ways after a horrible two years and now with the cost of living crisis. I don't understand how anyone, even the Daily Fail heads, can convince themselves all this corruption and greed is OK.

There are times when I just want to weep at the injustice.

Is it too early for wine?

prettybird · 15/05/2022 16:48

cakeorwine · 15/05/2022 10:00

"Regarding care home deaths the people discharged were clinically ready for discharge, should they have stayed in a high risk environment for 3months until widespread testing was available?"

A half way house? So being discharged from hospital but not going directly to a care home - a period of isolation before being returned to a care home

It would have taken some imagination - but surely someone would have wondered if discharging people from a hospital when there is a virulent disease into a care home might not be a good idea?

Testing them would have been a start

prettybird · 15/05/2022 16:51

Oh and I love the metaphor of "a fish rots from the head down". It is perfectly apt for BJ and his cabal of cronies.

and if it touches a nerve with some posters then it's made its point

jgw1 · 15/05/2022 16:55

prettybird · 15/05/2022 16:51

Oh and I love the metaphor of "a fish rots from the head down". It is perfectly apt for BJ and his cabal of cronies.

and if it touches a nerve with some posters then it's made its point

But a rotten fish may be harder working and have more integrity than Boris.

L1ttledrummergirl · 15/05/2022 16:58

Roussette · 15/05/2022 15:43

What next

Kwasi Karteng defends the government's decision to buy a '£20M party house' in New York

No, it's not April Fools Day

Here

Awesome. As a tax payer, aka part owner, when do we move in? Do we provide our own booze or is that also coming out of taxpayers money? Can we claim the cost of flights back? Will food banks cover the cost for those who can't?

The contracts for mates isn't a surprise, a comprehensive list of which mps families, friends and donator benefitted from the covid money tree would be illuminating though...

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Roussette · 15/05/2022 17:00

I agee. But I do wonder what it would take for Tory voters to see the light. No, I don't want to hear about a credible opposition because we've sunk so low now, any opposition could do better than this lot we're saddled with.

There are certain shadow ministers who I really rate who I know could take us on a better path than we're on now.

I honestly think 13 years has been too long and the current govt have literally run out of ideas.

It's chaotic, it honestly is.

All they do is come out with headline ideas, none of which actually happen. They're quietly dropped like the 40 new hospitals, the irish trade border, levelling up, improving social care,
It's all just lies and soundbites to look good.
I wonder what it will take for some people to see the light.

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