Boris and his fines part 4

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Previous thread. More to come on the subject matter

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JRM very much seems to think he is in charge of civil servants and their work patterns.

'Sam was brilliant, we're big Euro fans here, why did I decide to celebrate at midnight with sloe gin I ask myself...'

I know I'm feeling a bit lacklustre myself today. Vodka in my case

I quite agree with you, it was established 1000s of posts ago that Boris Johnson in his role as Prime Minister is not responsible for the government, its policies or the operation of Number Ten. He is though responsible for making sure the pot plants are healthy and providing entertainment at parties, which is why he had to go to so many.

I understand that Gove is practicing his voices so that he can one day take over the role.

We'd drunk all the wine, and it's all I could find, seemed like a good idea at the time!

@JaniieJones Since you seem determined to go round the pointless Boris isn't in charge of those who work for him circuit again, shall we do, well it doesn't count as a party as he was only there for 10minutes so we can cover both nonsenses at the same time?

If I was the boss of an organisation of about 200 people and over 100 had been found to be breaking the law at work I am pretty sure the shareholders wouldn't be slow in sacking me.

I don't drink much but didn't get to sleep til 5 because bloody 'Grace Kelly' was earworming all night.

Didn't we have the whole discussion about who was in ultimate charge of covil servants on the other set of Partygate threads? It was mind numbing by the end.

Covil? 😃No idea where that came from. Civil.

Oh we certainly did. An the conclusion was that Boris is a party entertainer and pot plant waterer.

I really don't understand why anyone would think the Prime Minister was responsible for anything more, he isn't even paid enough to be able to pay for his own wallpaper.

I find it interesting that someone is trying to say Johnson has no say over civil servants actions in Downing Street.

I'd like to see staff in my school pleasing themselves drinking in classrooms and someone trying to say it's nothing to do with the Ht!

'I find it interesting that someone is trying to say Johnson has no say over civil servants actions in Downing Street.'

I didn't say has 'no say', rather he can't be held responsible for their day to day behaviour, that is where line managers come in. For example if staff in your school were boozing surely, surely you'd expect the Head to sort it out and not Nadhim Zahawi?!

Incredible, isn’t it? The callousness of the confirmed Tory is beyond belief.

Yes a period of isolation in a halfway house would have been ideal, logistically hard to spring up overnight of course

Remind me how long it took to create the Nightingale hospitals. You know, the ones that were never used.

I think if Nadine Zahawi worked in the school then I'd expect him to sort it out. Sue Grey seems to think similarly-

"There were failures of leadership and judgment by different parts of No 10 and the Cabinet Office at different times. Some of the events should not have been allowed to take place. Other events should not have been allowed to develop as they did."

With apologies to Nadhim for mangling his name!

Johnson is Top of the Office at No. 10. He has ultimate responsibility for the staff who work there. He also happens to be Minister for the Civil Service.

Agh. We went over all this ad nauseum before. Not getting dragged back in!

If Nadhim Zahawi's office was in a school and he was t he highest ranking person there then yes I would expect him to sort it, he might sort it by saying to one of his minions, "That's not on I want it stopped." If he was based there and could obviously see what was going on I wouldn't think it was nothing to do with him.

You do know it isn't compulsory to comment?

Yes I would. Schools are impacted by ofsted. If there was a culture of drinking and partying in a school then it's safe to assume the HT isn't an effective leader and it should be referred higher to Dfe.

It's extraordinary that supporters of the PM argue that the Prime Minister lacks influence over Downing Street staff.

Thus confirming he's not fit to lead the country - he can't even control what goes on under his own roof!

Hopefully they could have gone somewhere safe where they wouldn't be spreading the infection. Have you ever seen documentaries about how small villages in Africa dealt with Ebola? They stopped people leaving or entering the village. They worked it out, why couldn't our government?

There were all those empty hotels with no one allowed to travel, maybe they could have been used so that people fit for discharge could quarantine for 10 days or whatever it was then. Going back into the care home when they had completed the quarantine period.

Didn’t he say himself something like “I should probably have sent them back inside”? That doesn’t sound like someone who doesn’t think he has authority over the staff at No 10.

What Johnson said:

“When I went into that garden just after six on May 20 2020, to thank groups of staff before going back into my office 25 minutes later to continue working, I believed implicitly that this was a work event."

“With hindsight I should have sent everyone back inside. I should have found some other way to thank them".

'Remind me how long it took to create the Nightingale hospitals. You know, the ones that were never used.'

A few weeks? Surely you aren't suggesting elderly people should have been kept in acute hospital beds after we'd seen hospitals in Italy be overwhelmed? Care homes should have isolated patients discharged from hospitals. I hope any future inquiry looks at care homes owners and what they did or didn't do.