Gas & electric has trebled - surely it's time to vote the Tories out now?

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I've been waiting to see how much it'd go up by and the bill's arroved - it's now just under £300 a month. That's more than 10% of my monthly income.

I've had very low gas readings recently as our heating isn't working properly. We just had a cold winter as we couldn't afford to get it fixed, I guess next winter is going to be cold too. This is the UK in the 21st Century, FFS!

What is it going to take for people to vote these fuckers out? They're bleeding us dry and destroying our children's future. And, how many dead under Covid, due to their mismanagement of the crisis? More concerned with giving lucrative contracts to their mates than lives or well being of the general population. Their parties are a symptom of this attitude. We are absolutely not "all in it together".

Does anyone really still think this group of entitled, self-serving, priviledged wankers have our best interests at heart?

My local ward is a Lib Dem-Tory marginal. I don't usually vote Lib Dem, but I will this year in the local elections to get these fuckers out.

Who's joining me for some tactical voting?

Every single thread that dares criticise the Tories about anything, is very quickly turned to "they know what a woman is"
Clearly not so as a cabinet minister had to look it up on the internet to find out... research purposes only of course.

Fair enough on threads about Trans/GRA or perhaps even Rayner but this is a thread about energy costs.

So, it now looks after months of tell us all "No windfall tax, will damage investment pensions and make the UK less competitive" and supported by tory supporters on here, Sunak is now looking at Labours plan to do exactly this.

Or maybe having cars safety checked less often is a better idea? having just paid out 100s to have my off side rear brake fixed after a fault spotted on its MOT, that is crazy suggestion.

Not at all I don’t wish to tell people what to care about. I hope I can get the same in return.

But as you have said it makes you angry even by virtue of caring about it and voting differently, which comes across on here in terms of disdain. We should be free to vote without that, in any case it isn’t effective. Just constant derision. I don’t need to hear what I view as important isn’t.

@MarshaBradyo with regard to your last sentence - ditto.

Sooty Great! I don’t think I have

We all care deeply about different things

Personally I feel more politically motivated than I have when younger. I respect that others feel that way too but for other reasons

That's fair comment.

I don’t need to hear what I view as important isn’t

None of us do but that’s the nature of political debate, unfortunately.

Actually people can post what they want about what they hold important it’s the constant derision that I don’t get

anyway we’re all different, I’m fine if people feel differently to me and they can vote as they wish

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@cloudcats PM me and I'll send you a spreadsheet that calculates what you should be paying.

Some people like the op will do anything to have a crack at the Tories. It's frustrating that there is so little reasoned debate now and everything is political toeing the line whether logic prevails or not over the policy. So remainer hate Tories no matter what, leavers hate the lib Dems/labour, GC go with conservative. There is just no room to say I agree with some things but not others in a parties opinions. I am politically a green until the became involved with stuff outside of the green agenda. I am economically allingned with conservatives but despise their and new labours housing market meddling. I am more socially allingned with labour big spending on health and defence but not so on benefits. It's going to take more than this cost of living issue (and food and energy is still historically cheap compared to the last 1000 years) to allign myself with a political party.

So remainer hate Tories no matter what, leavers hate the lib Dems/labour, GC go with conservative

My husband’s a remainer and, until recently, voted Tory. I’m GC and would rather drink bleach than vote Tory. At the end of the day most people prioritise their concerns and vote accordingly.

It's going to take more than this cost of living issue (and food and energy is still historically cheap compared to the last 1000 years) to allign myself with a political party

That’s a very privileged position to be in. Most people don’t have that luxury. The next GE will be fought and won on the economy.

@Fishwishy Pretty much everything is politics.. Brexit was, local services are, council tax increases, response to cost of living increases.... etc

The tories have made a political decision not to assist the poorest in the country.. benefits increase 3% but inflation is forecast to be over 11% this year.... this is what this thread is supposed to be about.

I can appreciate that the Tories have had some decent policies, vaccine development/procurement being the most obvious one and the changes to the Highway code on protecting vulnerable road users was long over due... so a well done from me BUT voting decisions are made on a variety of issues and they way they have responded to energy and food price rises is awful plus i will never forgive them for Brexit, such a waste, esp for our youth.

@Alexandra2001 whereas I see the highway code changes as yet another green light for venerable road users to outsource their safety decision making and Brexit as a necessary evil because of the intransigence of the EU to limit migration. Anyway this is about cost of living benefits can't go up 8% because wages aren't getting anywhere near that. A lot of people aren't helping themselves with this my fuel bill is tiny in comparison to many I have two jumpers on and live Extremely frugally I prioritised study and work over socialising and have a income to pay for this I decided despite earning twice the national average (at childbearing age) that it would be too expensive to manage children too and cut my cloth accordingly. I have made my lifestyle choices to enable me to withstand this cost of living issue which is still stupidly cheap compared to a century ago.

@Fishwishy we always had the power to control our own borders. That was a lie by the Leave campaign.

And if you can be so dismissive of the cost of living increases you are indeed privileged.

@Fishwishy The hike in cost of living has been so sharp and unexpected, so almost impossible to plan for, made worse after 10 years plus of v low wage rises.
You earn around 60k p.a, people on MW around 17k, what fuel etc cost '00s of years ago is quite frankly irrelevant...

Off topic but i can assure you that far more car drivers over take more safely after the changes in the Highway code, i ride a lot and no amount of decision making on my part, can alter how a driver behaves.

Brexit may have been about migration BUT inward migration has shot up since Brexit, so nothing has changed, not least the numbers coming from HK.

No thanks and if you think a change of leadership is going to affect the energy crisis or any other party cares enough to do something about over inflated energy charges then you're seriously deluded.

Yeah I'll never vote for the Conservatives, ever, because of Brexit. Unless or until they admit it was lies and stupid and reverse it (i.e. never).

I will not vote for any party at all until one of them commits in their manifesto to fix the massive discrimination against lone parents (almost all women) built into the tax system.

I see Mumsnet's interview with Sunak didn't even touch on this. 🤦🏻‍♀️

@Blossomtoes Most French power generation (about 90% IIRC) is a combination of hydro and nuclear. If you travel up the Rhine by boat there are massive power stations every 10 or 15 kilometres, on top of the locks. Far less gas and oil is consumed for power generation, but the utility companies like EDF are price capped, so they have bought into the UK market because there are fewer restrictions.

plus i will never forgive them for Brexit, such a waste, esp for our youth.

This. Even though we are just at the start of the worst recession for 300 years because of Covid, the impact of Brexit longer-term has been shown time and time again to be even worse, by every credible calculation.

That a Government could willingly do this to its people for no benefit, it beyond the realms of my understanding. Not just the impact now, but on the children of this country, and their children too.

I could never, ever vote for that party. I have never been aligned to a party and if things don't improve will have nobody to vote for at all. But Conservative I will never vote ever because of Brexit.

Nobody could stop the pandemic. The way they handled it was appalling but all countries made mistakes. But a hard Brexit that wasn't even supported by the public, screw us all over for nothing? No.

I think many people feel the same. As its older voters die off it will be dead and cease to exists in a decade or two if it doesn'r at least rejoin the EEA very fast. But the people running it think they are invincible so will not realise that until it is too late for them.

Or maybe (most likely) they do mot care as they'll be retired by then and just write long articles for the Telegraph lamenting it all. And being paid for that. 😆

There can be no more fundamental real, practical benefit to women than recognising what we are.

Not tractors but women. Neil knows but it doesn't mean he respects you.

An interesting idea re dying off but I’m not sure if it won’t go the other way

Firstly because people shift as they age and even though people die those aging shift as they get older behind them

Also the world will start to see more pressures due to climate change and populations could shift in response. France is a recent example of a fairly big shift, whether this direction continues not sure.

I didn’t want Brexit btw, but the world feels changeable atm and I wonder what will emerge.

Traditionally people would get more right wing as they age, mortgage free, decent pensions but thats no longer the case.

Brexit is also a very black n white thing, most voters hade firmly held beliefs and whilst France has moved a: Le Pen had to move very much away from the 'right and Macron did win by a very comfortable margin.

I think we will forge closer bonds with the EU but rejoin... the situation is ridiculous atm, eu trade falling, non tariff barriers, queues at ports, GFA.... its an act of self harm as the world moves away from globalisation and only done so one man could gain power.

what i do find odd is why AR 's legs are an issue or even porn.. but Bojo supporting a Putin policy isn't.

People saying they would never vote conservative because of Brexit. Well I can never vote Labour or lid dem after they tried to delay or undo enacting the democratic referendum we had. Spitting in the face of democracy I can never forgive.

Not everyone considered it a democratic referendum.