Gas & electric has trebled - surely it's time to vote the Tories out now?

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I've been waiting to see how much it'd go up by and the bill's arroved - it's now just under £300 a month. That's more than 10% of my monthly income.

I've had very low gas readings recently as our heating isn't working properly. We just had a cold winter as we couldn't afford to get it fixed, I guess next winter is going to be cold too. This is the UK in the 21st Century, FFS!

What is it going to take for people to vote these fuckers out? They're bleeding us dry and destroying our children's future. And, how many dead under Covid, due to their mismanagement of the crisis? More concerned with giving lucrative contracts to their mates than lives or well being of the general population. Their parties are a symptom of this attitude. We are absolutely not "all in it together".

Does anyone really still think this group of entitled, self-serving, priviledged wankers have our best interests at heart?

My local ward is a Lib Dem-Tory marginal. I don't usually vote Lib Dem, but I will this year in the local elections to get these fuckers out.

Who's joining me for some tactical voting?

Name one thing that has improved in this country since 2010?

Yes, this.

They say they know what a woman is, or rather Johnson does.
They’ve broken many of their election promises. Siphoned off millions of our money to their crony friends. Some of their MPs are distinctly misogynistic as is their mouthpiece the DM but you are prepared for another 5 years of conservative government on the basis of one statement. The country deserves everything it gets then if people are prepared to turn a blind eye.

Absolutely @Oddessafile. It absolutely blows my mind. If Rosie Duffield can be brave enough to continue to stand as a Labour MP, I’m pretty sure I can continue to vote Labour.

I'm curious to know how Labour think they can influence supply and demand on the global wholesale market ?

And 'windfall taxes' are not the answer;-

www.ft.com/content/9cdad006-b5bc-4a1d-bc6c-9c523d4aa5db

I can't promote the current Labour offering by any stretch and have deep issues but I'm too old to fall for the pathetic scraps Tory party throws.
It seems to be ignored that all of the losses to women and sex based rights are happening under a Conservative government yet Johnson chucks a bone and people are holding him aloft as the messiah.
Instead of backing actual women who are sticking their neck out and risking the vitriol.
It's so true we get what we deserve and this 'Or else' tactic play's directly in to the game plan.

You can't just produce a new nuclear power station though can you.

It's like all the Insulate Britain protests. I agree better insulation is important but no one talks about how it will actually be achieved.

Adding external cladding comes with issues including damp problems.
Internal options like kingspan are hugely disruptive to install and losing a couple of inches might well mean your kitchen units no longer fit in say the gap between wall and door.

I think more could be done with grants for solar panels but not everyone has suitable roof.

Basically, there's no simple approach and it needs a mix of interventions but none of them are quick

Actually if the tory party doesn't bleed so many seats in the council election, boris might survive yet another day. Then when gas and electricity bills double again in autumn, a lot of people will get even more angry at him. Our next uk election is no later than 2025. If he somehow holds on till then and our inflation problems are probably not going to go away by then, it should be relatively easy for Keir to defeat him.

At the same time, if the tories take a beating this council election and he goes, who is going to be the new incumbent? Truss? Gove? Both would be less popular than Boris and possibly easier to kick out. But at the same time, might benefit from honeymoon period (but 3 years is quite long for a honeymoon period).

I am happy with Johnson staying because at least everyone will eventually blame him for everything that goes wrong. Hopefully but I think when average electricity bills are £400-500 per month, I am not sure how many people can take it when average take home pay is 30k. Even if you double this and assume both parents are in work, its still 60k. £400-500 is a significant chunk of that. even if you have a tiny mortgage or no mortgage, its still quite a chunk.

TBF the Tories are saying that they will build more nuclear and that will give us cheaper energy... but as you say, without changes in how electricity is sold, that wont happen and Nuclear are decades away in any case.

So a pro business newspaper says extra tax on business is a bad idea? Previous Govt's inc Thatcher, have used Windfall taxes on energy companies and many EU countries are using them.
Bottom line is these price rises (and profits) were totally unexpected and unplanned for, they may also go on for many more years.

I mean people have literally copied and pasted their stated policies on this issue into this thread. They've been in news stories and in Parliament. It's on Twitter and on their website.

But given the fact that you won't even read the thread you're responding to to see if it's been discussed, how much effort are you actually putting in to finding out their policies?

Obviously it is. The French government has protected its population from these extreme rises and the Labour Party has a plan to do the same.

Labour will not be winning elections any time soon with policies like that.

Our next uk election is no later than 2025

2024 actually.

At the same time, if the tories take a beating this council election and he goes, who is going to be the new incumbent? Truss? Gove?

Neither. The next Tory leader can’t be tainted by association with this regime. It will have to be a completely new start for them.

How the hell are you paying £300 a month when you couldn't even turn the heating on during winter? Did you spend it sat in a hot tub?

Which energy supplier are you with that has trebled it's prices?

I would like to know this.

RTFT. To quote a pp:

people have literally copied and pasted their stated policies on this issue into this thread. They've been in news stories and in Parliament. It's on Twitter and on their website.

But given the fact that you won't even read the thread you're responding to to see if it's been discussed, how much effort are you actually putting in to finding out their policies?

Asking any Gov to do something about this is like asking them to rearrange the deckchairs on the Titanic! The Gov has no control over worldwide fuel prices. Unless you think we should buy Russian fuel and screw the Ukrainians?

If the Gov covers some of the increased costs, then this money will have to come from somewhere else i.e. us. Which either means more tax or fewer services.

If they do nothing, then the economy tanks as no one has any money to spend and cuts back plus for those who have nothing to cut back on, they starve/go cold etc.
Which in turn reduces tax take.. leading to even less services and/or tax rises.

Perhaps with a 75 seat majority, the Cons could introduce price controls on domestically produced oil and electricity?

Why does around 50% of locally produced renewable/nuclear electricity have to be sold on the european energy market?

Its very much of their making, who do you think privatised all the utilities?

Now it's all about profit for shareholders, can you imagine how much cheaper it would all be with out factoring in a profit margin?

Because prices have gone up, haven't you noticed?!

My bill was about £100 for a 3 bed semi.

I've not changed what I'm using, but the bill has nearly trebled.

And I am using gas - my system needs work but it's not totally off. It means my gas bill was really low, but not non-existent.

Hasn't your bill gone up? What were you paying at the beginning of the year? What's your latest bill, in comparison? I'm with Bulb and the next bill will be the first one that's changed.

I'm well aware, we are paying £244 a month, up from £160. We are high use customers with gas but, especially, electricity - with an average of 18kwh per day. So I expect your electricity usage must be enormous, seeing how your bill is a) significantly larger and b) doesn't include a usual amount of gas.

Labour made housing expensive they encouraged mass immigration and failed to do anything to enact legislation to protect from these price rises. They rowed back virtually none of the Tory policies of the previous government. Sorry I can't vote for them either.

That said we have experienced cheap energy for too long given the damage it does to the planet. Whilst plenty on Mumsnet are still heating their hot tubs it is hardly too expensive.

I'm with Bulb and the next bill will be the first one that's changed

Check to see if your dd is in line with your annual usage, unit prices and standard charges. Some companies have whacked up their customers dd as they moved on to the svr well beyond one twelfth of that price and you can reduce it back in line on your online account.

PleasePoint out OP how
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They spent every penny we had???

The audit commission closed in 2015 @Gilead. If people do think actual backhanders are being offered then they need to report that to the police as that's a criminal offence.