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Boris has been fined - Tory voters, should he go?

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NewYorker80 · 12/04/2022 13:43

Both Johnson and Sunak have received fines for the lockdown parties. No further details as yet.

Do any Conservative voters here think Boris should resign?

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Frazzled2207 · 12/04/2022 15:43

never been a fan and not a tory voter, of course he should go but he won't.
Is a disgrace
However I think him not going probably suits the labour party pretty nicely. Plenty of ammunition when there eventually is a GE. Also who on earth would replace him. Probably not Sunak now. Liz Truss. Urgh.

Cornettoninja · 12/04/2022 15:43

@Justcallmebebes

No, I don't think he should resign. Who do you suppose should take over?
Well let’s try it and see shall we?

Fuck it, worse comes to worst I’m at the point of handing the reigns back of to QE2.

Frazzled2207 · 12/04/2022 15:45

@MoggyCentral

I don't want him to go. I think he's doing great on Ukraine - Zelenskys deputy said he was Ukraines greatest friend amd had given more help than any other country. And seeing reports that are coming from the WHO, I don't think he did a bad job with covid. Initially I was annoyed about the parties but it was ages ago and I've moved on. It's just not that important.
I think people who were unable to see their relatives in their dying days while Boris and his pals were partying the whole time, think it's extremely important.

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UnconditionalSurrender · 12/04/2022 15:46

This isn't a BJ problem, it's a Tory Party problem. Johnson is a liar and a chancer, he's been at it his entire lifetime. That's part of his appeal it seems. However Johnson as Prime Minister being a liar, lying to parliament and then found to be breaking the law is a big problem.
It doesn't matter whether there's no-one else who appeals, or Keir Starmer is boring, or Johnson says a woman has a cervix, or Jeremy Corbyn or whatever, that's all irrelevent. If the Tory Party stick with Johnson for their own ends then they are saying there are no rules for politicians, there are no standards in public life, Prime Ministers can break the law with impunity and then Peston is right we have hit the bottom of the slope. No Tory voter with any shred of decency should want to be part of that.

FairyLightPups · 12/04/2022 15:47

I thought this said 'fired' and got very excited Grin

Franklin12 · 12/04/2022 15:47

Alexa - I disagree. Corbyn and Labour now dont want the power. That is clear. They want to be able to snipe from the sidelines with no chance of being critized as they arent in power. Suits them just fine.

Why then make strange non winning election choices EVERY SINGLE TIME?

JinglingHellsBells · 12/04/2022 15:47

I don't vote Tory but neither do I see this as a resigning matter.

What's ironic is that all over lockdown, this forum was full of posters saying they were ignoring the rules and carrying on partying. I lost count of people openly admitting they were not following lockdown rules.

I wonder where they are now?

walkersareback · 12/04/2022 15:48

@Grumpyoldpersonwithcats

I've come to the conclusion that if Boris Johnson had been caught buggering Prince Philip's corpse in St George's chapel, then Tory supporters here would claim that a Labour leader would have done so twice.
GrinGrinGrin I'm inclined to agree
Cornettoninja · 12/04/2022 15:48

@Hrpuffnstuff1

I know why don't the whole cabinet resign. In fact, let's have no conservative party in power at all, everyone should resign. A big free for all.
Oh please, listen to yourself.

‘If you get rid of this moral abyss and his incompetency you might end up with beelzebub’

I can’t believe think that a country run by fear of worse politicians is anything to aspire to. We should be calling for better and showing that it means something.

MedusasBadHairDay · 12/04/2022 15:48

It blows my mind that people are happy to accept a prime minister who breaks the law, then lies about it both to the electorate and in Parliament. A man who thinks he's above the law, and holds the British public in such low regard.

Utterly madness.

I understand that a Tory voter won't want Labour in power, makes sense, but that they don't even want him kicked out and replaced with a different Tory? Do they think so little of their party that they think Boris is the best they've got?!

GottaLoveTheCold · 12/04/2022 15:48

I don’t know a single person, not one, who stuck 100% to lockdown rules. I said this to someone who said “I did!” And I could give her 2 examples off the top of my head of where she didn’t. My next door neighbour is a police officer and he had a massive Christmas party during lockdown. I just don’t care about people working their guts out in an office, having a glass of wine after work to celebrate something. They weren’t upping anyone’s risk!

I don’t even think he should have been fined. Most people have not had to pay their FPMs. I want him to sort out the NHS, make additional rate tax higher and windfall tax any French owned energy firms.

NETSRIK · 12/04/2022 15:48

Wonder how the few posters on here who continued to defend Boris and say he couldn't possibly have attended a party are feeling now? They spent so much time praising him on threads about the parties that it is amusing that now they will be scratching their heads wondering how on earth a consistent liar actually lied. Who knew?

Piggywaspushed · 12/04/2022 15:49

I did.

Piggywaspushed · 12/04/2022 15:49

They weren’t upping anyone’s risk

Yes, they were.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 12/04/2022 15:50

Fuck it, worse comes to worst I’m at the point of handing the reigns back of to QE2

Or Larry

ilovesooty · 12/04/2022 15:50

@Franklin12

Hold on a sec. You cannot dismiss Corbyn as though it didnt really happen. Labour put this twit into a leadership position. They voted him in. It was almost like they wanted to spoil it for themselves (and they definitely did).

What I am trying to say is if Labour really thought Corbyn was the one doesnt that show the electorate Labour's way of thinking. Corbyn didnt like the Royal Family, he often didnt even seem to like the UK much. A man who was a backbencher at best suddenly spouting off Marxist nonsense and expecting the UK to accept it. Well they didnt. The UK are a middle leaning country. That is why Blair was very successful.

This shower in Labour are awful. I am not saying that Boris and co couldnt do better - they could and should. But imagine Labour trying to manage the pandemic. They would still be talking about what vaccines to use and would have endless lockdowns to cover themselves. So people vote for the best of a bad job to put it frankly.

Whether Johnson, who has lied to Parliament, should continue to be in office is nothing to do with Labour.

Any Conservative MP with integrity (and there will be some) should be declaring that they have no confidence in him and should be pushing for his resignation.

Cornettoninja · 12/04/2022 15:50

@JinglingHellsBells

I don't vote Tory but neither do I see this as a resigning matter.

What's ironic is that all over lockdown, this forum was full of posters saying they were ignoring the rules and carrying on partying. I lost count of people openly admitting they were not following lockdown rules.

I wonder where they are now?

So what? I’m guessing they’re not in the running for PM? People openly flouted the rules knowing exactly what they were doing, they weren’t lying about it.

Out of interest, what would constitute a resigning matter for you? I think my standards may be higher than yours so I’m wondering how far I have to lower them to get on the same page?

AlexaShutUp · 12/04/2022 15:51

It's incredible to me that the "But Corbyn* argument is wheeled out even now. It seems that Boris & co can literally get away with anything - breaking the law, lying to Parliament etc - because the hypothetical Corbyn government would apparently have been so much worse.

I was no fan of Jeremy Corbyn and I was glad to see the back of him, but the reality is that we will never know how a Corbyn government would have managed the pandemic etc, because they were not elected. They might have fucked up entirely or they might have done a much better job. Unless you have access to some sort of alternate reality in which Corbyn was actually given the opportunity to govern, there is really no point in putting out spurious arguments about what might have happened. You simply don't know, and none of us ever will.

You can't keep wailing about Corbyn as if that somehow makes our lying, law-breaking shit-show of a government more acceptable. Boris and his cronies have utterly failed in the job of government and they are not fit for public office. Why not accept it instead of constantly trying to deflect attention away from their mistakes?

Franklin12 · 12/04/2022 15:52

I agree re the lockdown rules. Everyone bar NONE that I know did break them in a small way. Not seriously and every single day but when it suited them the reasons came out as to why what they did was an exception to the rules just this once.....

deliciouschilli · 12/04/2022 15:52

Most people I know don't give a toss that he went to a party or that he has been fined. They all broke lockdown rules in one way or another and there were lots of lockdown parties in gardens and houses round here.
I'm sure he will face calls to resign but I don't think this will be enough.

CapMarvel · 12/04/2022 15:52

@GottaLoveTheCold

I don’t know a single person, not one, who stuck 100% to lockdown rules. I said this to someone who said “I did!” And I could give her 2 examples off the top of my head of where she didn’t. My next door neighbour is a police officer and he had a massive Christmas party during lockdown. I just don’t care about people working their guts out in an office, having a glass of wine after work to celebrate something. They weren’t upping anyone’s risk!

I don’t even think he should have been fined. Most people have not had to pay their FPMs. I want him to sort out the NHS, make additional rate tax higher and windfall tax any French owned energy firms.

How many of those people literally wrote the law AND lied to the HoC about it?

None. It's really not hard to see the difference.

ilovesooty · 12/04/2022 15:52

@UnconditionalSurrender

This isn't a BJ problem, it's a Tory Party problem. Johnson is a liar and a chancer, he's been at it his entire lifetime. That's part of his appeal it seems. However Johnson as Prime Minister being a liar, lying to parliament and then found to be breaking the law is a big problem. It doesn't matter whether there's no-one else who appeals, or Keir Starmer is boring, or Johnson says a woman has a cervix, or Jeremy Corbyn or whatever, that's all irrelevent. If the Tory Party stick with Johnson for their own ends then they are saying there are no rules for politicians, there are no standards in public life, Prime Ministers can break the law with impunity and then Peston is right we have hit the bottom of the slope. No Tory voter with any shred of decency should want to be part of that.
Well said.
NETSRIK · 12/04/2022 15:53

@MrsWinters

I hope they fine Starmer too. Let’s be honest, it wasn’t just Tories breaking the rules they were all at it.
This has already been investigated by the police and there was no case to answer. HTH
MoggyCentral · 12/04/2022 15:53

Boris and his pals were partying the whole time,

No, he wasn't partying the whole time. 🙄 You undermine your own credibility.

Cornettoninja · 12/04/2022 15:53

@MedusasBadHairDay

It blows my mind that people are happy to accept a prime minister who breaks the law, then lies about it both to the electorate and in Parliament. A man who thinks he's above the law, and holds the British public in such low regard.

Utterly madness.

I understand that a Tory voter won't want Labour in power, makes sense, but that they don't even want him kicked out and replaced with a different Tory? Do they think so little of their party that they think Boris is the best they've got?!

It’s baffling isn’t it? No love for the Tory party here, but you’d think they’d have some up and coming politicians if their boarding school elite have fucked up on a massive scale.