Boris has been fined - Tory voters, should he go?

[NewYorker80]

Both Johnson and Sunak have received fines for the lockdown parties. No further details as yet.

Do any Conservative voters here think Boris should resign?

I'm very much a swing voter. I'll vote for who I think will do a reasonable job at the time. I dont think he should go. Its too critical a time for the country and the Ukraine situation to be messing about with elections. If he had committed a really serious offense then yes butets face it half the country were breaking lockdown.

As I've said throughout friends in the nhs often congregated in communal areas at break times and they weren't at parties or breaking rules.

I've never understood why you claim that the fact that your friends in the NHS broke the rules means anything. There is plenty of evidence that that simply wasn't normal practice.

If he had committed a really serious offense then yes butets face it half the country were breaking lockdown

Speak for yourself. I wasn't. No one I knew was.

But ... there's a war not far from us and people are dying every hour.
Boris has a role to play in supporting Ukrainian fighters who are protecting all of us.

So we can't have a change of PM until the war in Ukraine is over? What if it is not over before the next general election? Do we cancel it? How come we were able to have changes of PM and general elections between 2001 and 2021?

@Roussette

If he had committed a really serious offense then yes butets face it half the country were breaking lockdown

Speak for yourself. I wasn't. No one I knew was.

I didn’t exactly broadcast that i wasn’t adhering to all the rules!

But if you don’t think you attended a party (which I don’t think a 10 min cake cutting gathering is a party)
And you said you didn’t
He’s not lied

Pretty sure the law makes no distinction on time.... if you break the speed limit for 5 minutes when late for work, you've broken the law and if caught, you would get a fine, same as you would if you did the broke the same speed limit for 30 mins.

Of course the only person saying it was 10minutes is Johnson.

If I break into a house, swipe an iphone and get out in less than a couple of minutes, does that mean I haven't burgled a house?

But ... there's a war not far from us and people are dying every hour.
Boris has a role to play in supporting Ukrainian fighters who are protecting all of us

If that were true, NATO should be in Ukraine & BJ pushing for that change in policy but he isn't.

Any PM can supply weapons to Ukraine, every single country in the EU is, it doesn't take a genius.

@Shehasadiamondinthesky

I'm very much a swing voter. I'll vote for who I think will do a reasonable job at the time. I dont think he should go. Its too critical a time for the country and the Ukraine situation to be messing about with elections. If he had committed a really serious offense then yes butets face it half the country were breaking lockdown.

It is indeed a critical time - just the time when we need a decent and honest prime minister - and indeed government.

His serious offence is profound dishonesty over and over again - even to the extent of lying to the queen. The fact that he has now broken the law is just one more indictment - he must go - we are a laughing stock internationally.

Our democracy is being undermined - backhanders to his mates, flouting the law, subverting parliamentary protocols, trying to gag the media - how much more serious can it get?

I didn’t exactly broadcast that i wasn’t adhering to all the rules!

You can't say half the country were breaking lockdown because that is just untrue.

Pretty sure the law makes no distinction on time

Or ignorance of the law. If you don't know what you should be doing, or shouldn't be doing... find out. And the person that sets that law should know more than most. Many many people were constantly looking on .gov.uk to find out what they could or couldn't do. Checking the restricions. Why it's beyond the PM to realise he shouldn't be doing something.. beats me. He must be thick and stupid then.

"Sorry Officer, I didn't realise" just doesn't cut it.

'Never mind. Let's see the justification of Abba party in his flat. Perhaps he thought all those people were just living there lol'

There will be no excuses for a party in the flat. A clear rule break and I certainly won't defend that.

Let's go on what we currently do know, this fpn for a workplace 'happy birthday' without a party is just stupid and really does make those issuing them look stupid . We all know it.

You can't help thinking it'll actually work in his favour as it waters down the impact of a fpn for a 10 min 'crime'.

As far as I'm aware Britain is not at war. This is a red herring.
The cost of living crisis- are a dishonourable prime minister and a chancellor who has been linked to the cayman Islands, has a wife who doesn't see herself living in this country, held until recently an American green card really the best people in the country to do those jobs?

Talk about bringing those jobs into disrepute. In any other employment they would be fired.

@Roussette

I didn’t exactly broadcast that i wasn’t adhering to all the rules!

You can't say half the country were breaking lockdown because that is just untrue.

I didn’t

What he is doing in Ukraine is gesture politics. You only have to look at our appalling record on Ukrainian refugees to see the reality of his interest in Ukraine

Yes!

We’re not ‘at war’ either, feeding into that narrative is just inflating Boris’s ego and encouraging him to play at being Churchill.

@Roussette

How do you square your vehemence against Boris with your unwavering support for Megan despite her proven lies? Admittedly very different roles! But Megan proved liar

@Cornettoninja

What he is doing in Ukraine is gesture politics. You only have to look at our appalling record on Ukrainian refugees to see the reality of his interest in Ukraine

Yes!

We’re not ‘at war’ either, feeding into that narrative is just inflating Boris’s ego and encouraging him to play at being Churchill.

Also, do you really want to be taken into war by someone who is a proven liar?

He could say anything and put British lives at risk (my family member is in the forces) and you would never know if it was just made up to further his own political career.

@Franklin12

Boris appeals to people. Starmer quite honestly seems stuck up and out of touch. He is also Sir Kier and seems rather lightweight. As I said up thread. Until there is another Blair Labour will keep stabbing themselves in the back and lose and lose again.

Do I think these parties were wrong. Of course. But if I am really honest the moment has gone to make this a big thing anymore. We have more important things to concern ourselves with, cost of living, whether Le Pen will get in, Urkraine etc.

I do think though they need to do something with Patel. What a waste of space and she looks and sounds the part, first women of colour in a Ministers position (I think) but she is blooming awful. Hasnt sorted out the boats in the channel and the weather is getting better so she should be watching out for this.

This is fucking hilarious. Bullington Boy Boris appeals to people and the guy who grew up in a council house,who got to where he is off the back of sheer hard work and intellect is stuck up.

I don't even really LIKE Starmer but we really do have the government we deserve with this kind of stupidity.

A lot of people seem to be arguing that the birthday party was OK because it was a workplace.

At my organisation, we made an explicit decision during lockdown to stop all cakes/ singing happy birthday etc during that period, even though many staff were key workers and still in the office together, because it was very clearly inappropriate. I find it odd that the PM and his team reached such a different conclusion. The rules were very clear, and social events in the workplace were clearly not allowed.

There will be no excuses for a party in the flat. A clear rule break and I certainly won't defend that

Good. And you do know that everyone on here will remember you saying that.

@Heythere13
I apologise. I'm sorry, I muddled you up with another poster. My mistake entirely.

How do you square your vehemence against Boris with your unwavering support for Megan despite her proven lies? Admittedly very different roles! But Megan proved liar

FFS. For once let's leave Meghan Markle out of a thread. Last I heard she wasn't setting laws.

Enough said

@AlexaShutUp

A lot of people seem to be arguing that the birthday party was OK because it was a workplace.

At my organisation, we made an explicit decision during lockdown to stop all cakes/ singing happy birthday etc during that period, even though many staff were key workers and still in the office together, because it was very clearly inappropriate. I find it odd that the PM and his team reached such a different conclusion. The rules were very clear, and social events in the workplace were clearly not allowed.

Inappropriate and against the rules

Two different things

Where is your boundary @Heythere13?

What would a resigning matter look like to you?

[quote Heythere13]@Roussette

How do you square your vehemence against Boris with your unwavering support for Megan despite her proven lies? Admittedly very different roles! But Megan proved liar[/quote]
MM is a private citizen who isn't even a British subject, let alone a "proven liar"

Unlike your Boris, who is on record for being sacked twice for lying..... and found to have acted illegally by the Supreme court no less.