Boris has been fined - Tory voters, should he go?

[NewYorker80]

Both Johnson and Sunak have received fines for the lockdown parties. No further details as yet.

Do any Conservative voters here think Boris should resign?

Enough said

What does that mean?

Point scoring about Meghan Markle on a thread about our Prime Minister is a little weird.

For everyone claiming half the country were breaking the rules.

I did t and I don't know anyone who did.

In actual fact at the time I had both parents shielding on chemo. I work in education and my sister in nhs. Both of us single parents.

We had to juggle working, keyworker education and shopping for my parents.

Both of us were challenged frequently (and often not kindly) about why we were shopping with our children and not alone. Didn't matter she explained she couldn't leave her 6yo at home alone nor me my disabled ds who was 15.

People were challenged for sitting on benches in public, shopping with children - hell - people were even challenged for buying cake and chocolate because it's not essential.

So let's not minimise what the PM did as just cake and booze for 9 minutes when people were constantly challenged for buying those things in their weekly shop.

[quote Heythere13]@Roussette

How do you square your vehemence against Boris with your unwavering support for Megan despite her proven lies? Admittedly very different roles! But Megan proved liar[/quote]
Wow. That is so relevant to this debate.

Megan M gets a mention! Brilliant!

'Good. And you do know that everyone on here will remember you saying that.'

Yes. I've been clear from the start workplace eating and drinking was allowed and went on. Workplaces with colleagues. I think we are allowed to suggest the Met have made themselves look stupid. Folk do tend to criticise them, it is allowed.

If BJ and Carrie had a party in his flat with friends then yes that broke the rules and is serious.

'People were challenged for sitting on benches in public, shopping with children - hell - people were even challenged for buying cake and chocolate because it's not essential.'

Yes but at work, for example in some areas of the nhs peope ate cake or even takeaways. With others. In staff areas.

Exactly. Have Boris and his supportive party of MPs told the police that things have changed now and if the law has been broken for only 9 minutes, it doesn’t matter?
That might save us all lot of money on policing costs. Can’t speak for what it would do the crime rate though obviously..

Shame on him.

If BJ and Carrie had a party in his flat with friends then yes that broke the rules and is serious

But you will still be here making excuses for him, janiie.

@JaniieJones

'People were challenged for sitting on benches in public, shopping with children - hell - people were even challenged for buying cake and chocolate because it's not essential.'

Yes but at work, for example in some areas of the nhs peope ate cake or even takeaways. With others. In staff areas.

Can you comment on how you accept Carrie and his interior designer were attending a works party? I keep asking but you decline to acknowledge the question.

Nhs staff ate in staff rooms. They didn't invite their spouses and builders from any reports I've seen!

@JaniieJones how do you feel about Carrie’s fine? The non-residential part of Downing Street isn’t her workplace is it?

Her presence alone makes your argument shaky.

Sorry @itsgettingweird, I read your post and posted pretty much the same thing!

Can we call you an inspiration instead of me a thief!

Everyone who attended the BLM marches should resign too.
Let's take this to the nth degree.

Could we ask what laws can be broken with impunity, because we don't feel like obeying them?

With specific regard to Johnson - are there any laws he is not above? If he killed someone with drunk-driving would that be OK?

I guess the BLM marchers should resign if they also approved the legislation, voted on it and and then lied to Parliament.

@Cornettoninja

Sorry *@itsgettingweird*, I read your post and posted pretty much the same thing!

Can we call you an inspiration instead of me a thief!

🤣🤣🤣🤣

It's reassuring to know someone else also thinks it's odd to keep arguing it's a works event when the spouse was fined for being there!

[quote Cornettoninja]@JaniieJones how do you feel about Carrie’s fine? The non-residential part of Downing Street isn’t her workplace is it?

Her presence alone makes your argument shaky.[/quote]
I can never understand why interviewers don't challenge his defenders about this. She is the one who undermines the argument, just like her sitting in the garden drinking wine at a work meeting.

She is either unofficially very involved in running the country and we need to know or she is there and it is obviously not just people who work together.

@Hrpuffnstuff1

Everyone who attended the BLM marches should resign too. Let's take this to the nth degree.

Really? Petulance is your answer to an outcry over politicians (illegal) behaviour?

Although in fairness, that is a trademark of your poster boy. Backed into a corner? Revert to playground tactics.

@Shehasadiamondinthesky

I'm very much a swing voter. I'll vote for who I think will do a reasonable job at the time. I dont think he should go. Its too critical a time for the country and the Ukraine situation to be messing about with elections. If he had committed a really serious offense then yes butets face it half the country were breaking lockdown.

Someone quickly tell France this. It'll save us all from Le Pen.

@Alexandra2001

*But ... there's a war not far from us and people are dying every hour. Boris has a role to play in supporting Ukrainian fighters who are protecting all of us*

If that were true, NATO should be in Ukraine & BJ pushing for that change in policy but he isn't.

Any PM can supply weapons to Ukraine, every single country in the EU is, it doesn't take a genius.

We are the ones supplying the weapons, every British tax payer. The way people talk you'd think Johnson was paying and let's face it he doesn't even pay his own expenses.

It's a bit like Sunak and furlough, people so grateful to him. We all paid for furlough and we'll be paying for a long time.

I can never understand why interviewers don't challenge his defenders about this

Honestly @ancientgran? (Imho of course) bullshit baffles brains.

This cabinet have tied everyone in knots with excuses and whataboutary that a relatively simple debate has been turned into a fiasco. Note that they do not give a shit that there are more important things going on in the country - they’re happy for this bs to rage on and on as long as they come out on top. All this ‘getting on with it’ is diversion - they know that’s not possible whilst we’re all distracted by their clown show, they don’t care though because while we’re looking at this fuck up we’re not paying attention to their other fuck ups.

We’re all playing by different rules; integrity can no longer be relied upon to have the final say. Boris and his cabinet are brazen and aren’t abiding by the etiquette and culture we’ve come to take for granted in Westminster.

It was playing fair to call for the police to investigate, then that only happened under pressure, and now we’re in a position that the police have found wrong doing (Grays report hasn’t even hit yet) and that is minimised.

More and more outlandish excuses and flimsy reasons are held up as justifications and people (me included) get drawn into countering the preposterous instead of sticking to the basic foundation.

@Notonthestairs why was she at the party

Yes. She drafted the legislation, voted on it and then told Parliament no rules were broken.
She also broke the swing.

If BJ and Carrie had a party in his flat with friends then yesthatbroke the rules and is serious.

More serious or less serious than lying to the queen @JaniieJones?

To be fair to the electorate if serving politicians are going to be lawbreakers, either we should have a situation where we all vote and democratically accept that we’re a ‘post integrity’ society and then we bring in a legal codes and punishment for absolutely every sort of wrongdoing in office, to protect the public (which is not recommended for lots of reasons).

Or we can continue with the current trust-based situation. But this works only where politicians who are evidenced to have become massively sleazy and break laws, but who won’t do the right thing and resign, are not tolerated by their peers. We have to be able to trust that their colleagues will call a vote of no confidence.

This current situation of Boris breaking the law, not resigning and nobody in his party challenging it, is totally unacceptable.

From Euronews:

Johnson and Finance Minister Rishi Sunak will be given six fines between them for breaking the government's own COVID regulations

"The Prime Minister and the Chancellor of the Exchequer have today received notification that the Metropolitan Police intend to issue them with six penalty notices," a spokesman for 10 Downing Street told Euronews

So what are the other four notices for and who got (or is getting) what? Why is this not being made clear?

www.euronews.com/2022/04/12/uk-pm-boris-johnson-fined-over-downing-street-lockdown-parties