Boris has been fined - Tory voters, should he go?

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Both Johnson and Sunak have received fines for the lockdown parties. No further details as yet.

Do any Conservative voters here think Boris should resign?

Johnson knew this was coming.
I have very little doubt that he was absolutely delighted when Russia invaded Ukraine, he knew Putin's actions would save him.
I could cry over what Johnson has done to this country.

@Hrpuffnstuff1

Come on now, those with speeding offenses resign immediately.

The problem is this fury is being created because Labour voters are causing a big scene across Twitter. People have to understand they have another 2 yrs of this until the GE in 2024.

It’s not just Labour voters - voters from right across the political spectrum are rightly furious

@Kendodd

Johnson knew this was coming. I have very little doubt that he was absolutely delighted when Russia invaded Ukraine, he knew Putin's actions would save him. I could cry over what Johnson has done to this country.

What has he done to this country? I take it he invented covid.

Here’s just a small selection of wrongdoings from the Tory buffet of sleaze, in case you’ve forgotten. Other morsels are available for the price of thirty seconds of your time on Google. www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/boris-johnson-broke-rules-no-punishment/ (Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe is an obvious omission from that link)

'Agree. This is not stopping. It will be interesting if those that think Boris do no wrong will actually show up to say... yes he has done wrong and should go.Doubtful'

If he gets more FPNs about socialising out of work with friends and family he will have to go. I wouldn't ever defend a flat party

However most people agree 10 or 9 minutes in an office at work with colleagues is just not anything remotely sackable. The fact none of them knew 10mins with cake was a party says it all.

The fact none of them knew 10mins with cake was a party says it all

It most certainly does.

The lying is a big problem, for me.

I am a bit of a swing voter but what I do need to believe, is that the people at the top have integrity. I just don't think Johnson or the people he keeps close to him, do. Not really because of the cake, but because of the lying about it and other things. It makes me doubt everything they say.

I really wish the Tory party would sort it out but sadly, it doesn't look like they will.

@JaniieJones

'Agree. This is not stopping. It will be interesting if those that think Boris do no wrong will actually show up to say... yes he has done wrong and should go.Doubtful'

If he gets more FPNs about socialising out of work with friends and family he will have to go. I wouldn't ever defend a flat party

However most people agree 10 or 9 minutes in an office at work with colleagues is just not anything remotely sackable. The fact none of them knew 10mins with cake was a party says it all.

Even though his interior designer who aren't part of the office were there?

'Office party' to me where there was no mixing allowed would be people who are all sat in the same room together all day sharing a cake in that room as a group.

I was really impressed with Ranvir challenging Grant Shapps. In response to him saying that it was basically an error in judgement but he was busy ensuring we were first to get jabs, saving lives blah blah blah she called him out about how it was the drs and nurses on the front line saving those lives - without PPE and eating their dinner in. At parks at 4am and not being able to get food because shelves were bare.

She was very emotional and I thought it was a great comment.

I really wish the Tory party would sort it out but sadly, it doesn't look like they will

Ridiculous, isn't it? They will keep wheeling out the likes of Fabricant and Dorries.

I think that it'll be hard for less venal MPs to defend the contents of the Sue Gray report alongside any additional fines. And I think there will be more fines. If the Met are recommending FPNs for "9 minutes of cake ambush" then they'll presumably be recommending them for the very intentional boozier parties.

However most people agree 10 or 9 minutes in an office at work with colleagues is just not anything remotely sackable. The fact none of them knew 10mins with cake was a party says it all.

Why do you keep obfuscating the issue in this way, @JaniieJones? You know perfectly well that the question is not whether it was a party but whether it was a gathering that wasn't necessary for work. It is, frankly, bloody obvious that Johnson was at more than one event that was clearly social and obviously not necessary for work. If Johnson couldn't work that out, he's too stupid to be Prime Minister anyway.

@SirChenjins

Here’s just a small selection of wrongdoings from the Tory buffet of sleaze, in case you’ve forgotten. Other morsels are available for the price of thirty seconds of your time on Google. www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/boris-johnson-broke-rules-no-punishment/ (Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe is an obvious omission from that link)

Still, not watergate is it. What are you going to do if Boris resigns and JRM becomes a primeminister? Twitter would melt.

I noticed Gina Millar has piped up on Twitter, the person who tried to subvert the vote (Democracy) via our justice system.

I personally wish Boris would resign just so I can book him as a public speaker, he's hilarious and he'd make me a lot of money.

However most people agree 10 or 9 minutes in an office at work with colleagues is just not anything remotely sackable

Why did he lie then? If it was such a piffling thing, why lie about it to Parliament? Why not just come clean. Please don't say he didn't realise he was breaking the law.
The rest of the country knew. He's surely not that thick and stupid

It does make me think if they're issuing fpns for 10mins at work then then obviously there must be more to come but I wonder why they can't get their arses in gear and issue them all at once. I know the Met aren't renowned for their competence but this stuttering drip drip seems a but weird.

@Hrpuffnstuff1

Come on now, those with speeding offenses resign immediately.

The problem is this fury is being created because Labour voters are causing a big scene across Twitter. People have to understand they have another 2 yrs of this until the GE in 2024.

We've got another two years of Johnson and his mates being utterly incompetent and corrupt, awarding lucrative government contracts to their families and friends, and lying blatantly and repeatedly, and somehow that's the fault of Labour voters? I don't think so, really..

What are you going to do if Boris resigns and JRM becomes a primeminister? Twitter would melt.

Well, that would be interesting, but I doubt that even the Tory party would be stupid enough to elect someone as leader who would be such an obvious electoral liability.

'Why did he lie then? '

Because he didn't realise 10mins in an office with colleagues he'd been working with constituted attending a party or a rule break, nor would I.

As I've said throughout friends in the nhs often congregated in communal areas at break times and they weren't at parties or breaking rules.

8What are you going to do if Boris resigns and JRM becomes a primeminister?*

Where is it saying that would happen? There is no way on God's earth that is likely.

he's hilarious and he'd make me a lot of money

He's done the after dinner speaking bit before. The problem with some of his supporters is that 'he's hilarious' is enough for them to think he's a good PM which is kinda shocking isn't it...

I've heard it before from people I know in real life. They found Trump 'hilarious', Boris makes them laugh. Etc.
Personally I don't go for a laugh a minute, no moral fibre politician for PM but there you go

@Roussette

However most people agree 10 or 9 minutes in an office at work with colleagues is just not anything remotely sackable

Why did he lie then? If it was such a piffling thing, why lie about it to Parliament? Why not just come clean. Please don't say he didn't realise he was breaking the law.
The rest of the country knew. He's surely not that thick and stupid

But if you don’t think you attended a party (which I don’t think a 10 min cake cutting gathering is a party) And you said you didn’t He’s not lied

@Hrpuffnstuff1

Come on now, those with speeding offenses resign immediately.

The problem is this fury is being created because Labour voters are causing a big scene across Twitter. People have to understand they have another 2 yrs of this until the GE in 2024.

It was created by Johnson himself, he should have obeyed the law, which was very clear.

Then none of this would have happened.

Tory back benchers then put in 30 or 40 letters asking BJ to resign, most notably Tory ex minister David Davis (a well known leftie twitter user lol) who told the commons and BJ "in the name of God Go!"

Good one Janiie
'He didn't realise'. Maybe he should have... you know... thought... 'what will this look like?'

Never mind. Let's see the justification of Abba party in his flat. Perhaps he thought all those people were just living there lol

Grant Shapps sounds as though his judgement is fucked. He needs to go for that. The excuses are a symptom of what is rotten at the heart of Westminster.
The longer this goes on the worse it is for our country which shows that these people are in it for themselves rather than the people they serve.

@JaniieJones

'Why did he lie then? '

Because he didn't realise 10mins in an office with colleagues he'd been working with constituted attending a party or a rule break, nor would I.

As I've said throughout friends in the nhs often congregated in communal areas at break times and they weren't at parties or breaking rules.

Did they congregate with their spouses and interior designers with food drink and birthday cake?

Or did they mingle outside wards they were working on with their colleagues and have something to eat and drink as necessary for nourishment?

How come HeyThere I would've realised I could not be doing that. Little old me knew. Yet he's so stupid, sets the rules, and didn't.

And maybe when he was challenged about some of these parties didn't go down this route...

"There were no parties
No rules were broken
If there were parties, all guidance was followed
I did not realise it was a party, no one told me
It was a work event"

Oooops! #Partygatefines

I know all about the horrible lockdown experiences so many in UK had, the loved ones dying alone, no goodbyes etc. It was heartbreaking and the parties at No10 were callous and crass on every level.
But ... there's a war not far from us and people are dying every hour.
Boris has a role to play in supporting Ukrainian fighters who are protecting all of us.

What he is doing in Ukraine is gesture politics. You only have to look at our appalling record on Ukrainian refugees to see the reality of his interest in Ukraine.

The suggestion that he can't resign now because of Ukraine is utterly ridiculous. France is managing to cope with an election with Ukraine going on, we managed just fine in coping with a change of leader with Germany rampaging through France and invading British territory. Ukraine, Britain and the rest of the world would be better off without a lying incompetent as PM of the UK.