Boris has been fined - Tory voters, should he go?

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Both Johnson and Sunak have received fines for the lockdown parties. No further details as yet.

Do any Conservative voters here think Boris should resign?

[quote Roussette]@TheDogsMother. Here you go!

The police have today concluded that the PM, the Chancellor and the PM’s wife all attended illegal parties, that breached Covid laws written by the PM. This is most serious for Boris Johnson of the three of them, because it was he who told MPs on 8 December…

that he had been “repeatedly assured” there were no parties and that no Covid rules were broken. He now has the challenge of his life to prove that he did not wilfully and knowingly mislead MPs - because if he did deliberately mislead MPs then he has no choice but to…

resign under the code of conduct for ministers, which he signed off and approved in keeping with normal practice on becoming prime minister. This is perhaps the most important test of the robustness and efficacy of the checks and balances in the British constitution of my…

lifetime. If Tory MPs unthinkingly keep him in office without a proper and public assessment of how parliament was misled, because that is what suits them, and if they blithely ignore the Ministerial Code, then the charge will stick that this or any…

party with a big majority is simply an elected dictatorship, and the constitution means little or nothing. This is not just a slippery slope. It is the bottom of the slope.[/quote]
But again... that was clear when he illegally suspended the elected Parliament because it wouldn't vote for what he wanted, as it was so clearly against the National interest for them to do so. And was found guilty of this illegal act in court.

And yet remained in office.

Rock bottom was reached some years ago. It's just that apparently it takes illegal parties for some of the public to grasp it, rather than being found by a judge to have illegally suspended our whole democratic system when it was inconvenient for him.

Priorities of the electorate eh?

@UnCivil

I do, however, find it highly amusing that somebody who lied to the country to get it to commit the biggest act of pointless self-harm for zero gain that any modern democracy has ever made, and lied to the Monarch, and illegally suspended our democratic systems, the country still re-elected. And the hill that the British public decide to die on as a step too far is an illegal party.

I suspect that the people who didn’t care about his previous lies are the ones downplaying his latest serial lying. They convinced themselves that his lack of morality didn’t matter as long as he got Brexit done

To keep up the pretence they have to keep supporting him

It's mind boggling. That anybody's surprised by this latest saga, that this shocks them but illegally suspending Parliament doesn't, that they elected him in the first place when he was already known to be a serial liar and cheat and incompetent, etc.

Boris appeals to people.

Only if they are incredibly thick, or one of the puppeteers with significant offshore holdings.

I think Boris will stop appealing to more and more people as this comes out.

So many families have suffered financial hardship from the pandemic as well as MH difficulties.

Now the cost of living increase.

His charisma and personality have got him though tough patches before but it's much harder to charm a larger group of disenfranchised electorates.

The possible state of play amongst MPs:

www.politics.co.uk/news-feature/2022/02/10/the-house-of-boris-how-conservative-mps-now-line-up/

@Fitterbyfifty

He should go but he's done about a dozen things now that would have been a resignable offence for most politicians.....and yet, he's still there.

And this is so dangerous. What a slippery slope.

He lied repeatedly to parliament. He broke the law.

What will it take to force a resignation in future leaders?

This is why he needs to go.

The media are shameful in not putting pressure on him.

As for the bollocks argument "we can't change leaders, there's a war in Ukraine" - the Conservatives changed PM during WW2 and did alright, didn't they?

And as for the even worse argument "there's no one better to take over" - no one better than a lying law breaker who has overseen the biggest (and very corrupt it transpires) transfer of public money into private pockets ever, and is seemingly disliked by most world leaders? Why then would you vote for a party where that's the best choice?

@IamTheEvilPea

Boris appeals to people.

Only if they are incredibly thick, or one of the puppeteers with significant offshore holdings.

Weak people are often drawn to people like themselves, BJ has no morals (no normal person goes around fathering sooo many kids) & truth is a tradable commodity

I suspect the people who still support him, have no problem with lying or cheating, whether in themselves or in others.

@IamTheEvilPea

Boris appeals to people.

Only if they are incredibly thick, or one of the puppeteers with significant offshore holdings.

This ^ I am afraid.

And yet my now retired, ex-headmistress model of rectitude DSis has what she calls a 'soft spot' for Johnson. Her face lights up when she speaks of him.

Unfathomable. Sigh.

It’s very sad that someone with such low moral standards should not just be in power but arrogantly sticking it out, despite breaking the law and blatantly lying. Most with an ounce of decency would accept that their position was no longer tenable and resign.

More fines to come.
More defending him
The Sue Gray report

And then the local elections.
It's going to be an interesting month

As for the bollocks argument "we can't change leaders, there's a war in Ukraine" - the Conservatives changed PM during WW2 and did alright, didn't they?

I strongly suspect that if we were actually at war, instead of making noises from the sidelines, that Johnson would get the boot PDQ. One can't have an unreliable maverick in charge.

I think everyone who ever had an FPN should immediately resign from their jobs.
Ethical standards must be applied across the general populous.
Fairs-fair now.

@Hrpuffnstuff1

I think everyone who ever had an FPN should immediately resign from their jobs. Ethical standards must be applied across the general populous. Fairs-fair now.

I think if you are the person who are responsible for creating a law, responsible for telling people to follow the law and then you break the law you created and get fined for it, then you should consider your position.

@FinallyHere

So you think your DSis is “incredibly thick”?

@cakeorwine

More fines to come. More defending him The Sue Gray report

And then the local elections.
It's going to be an interesting month

The only thing I'm certain of is that even after all this comes out certain people will continue to brush it under the carpet. That carpet of theirs must be about 100ft high now with all the shit under it.

@Hrpuffnstuff1

I think everyone who ever had an FPN should immediately resign from their jobs. Ethical standards must be applied across the general populous. Fairs-fair now.

This does actually exist.

Those responsible for upholding those laws and morals in society such as police and lawyers aren't allowed to work if they receive certain convictions.

Same with those who care and work in medicine and medication (DBS).

So yes, you're right. Those who have broken the code for their employment should resign or be let go. Including the PM.

I think the future fines will be indefensible, and in nevertheless having a go at it MPs like Michael Fabricant will perhaps make more people wake up.

I imagine that not even Johnson thinks it’s a good look to be defended by a raving lunatic in a ridiculous syrup.

@DowningStreetParty
I think that weeks of these fines being issued will (rightly) really undermine the bravado that the ‘loyal’ types are falling back on today to try to defend the PM

Agree. This is not stopping. It will be interesting if those that think Boris do no wrong will actually show up to say... yes he has done wrong and should go.
Doubtful

I've just listened to Grant Shapps on BBCNews defending him. I honestly knew exactly how he was going to phrase it. It was clever I'll give him that.
9 minutes. Cake. The War. He brought us Brexit. He didn't deliberately set out to deceive or break the law. Yes he should've walked out the room but he didn't. He's such a busy man, he was just being sociable Blah blah...

Let's see how he defends the party in the flat or the 6 other parties he went to. This one is the easy one. Ambushed by cake on his birthday for 9 minutes.

I do think people forget how virulent and nasty Covid was at that time. And how he had only just got over being in hospital with it.

Not sure that Abba party in the flat will be quite so easy to justify

The only thing I'm certain of is that even after all this comes out certain people will continue to brush it under the carpet.

But if it had been Labour/LibDem/SNP MPs they would be screaming for them to be hung drawn and quartered and their heads impaled on spikes on Westminster Bridge.

@Hrpuffnstuff1

I think everyone who ever had an FPN should immediately resign from their jobs. Ethical standards must be applied across the general populous. Fairs-fair now.

TBF if i had got a FPN at my last job, i would have had my clearance removed and lost my job.

Leaders must always lead by example especially in regard to laws that Johnson made himself.....

@Roussette Schapps did not get such an easy ride with Kay Burley (Sky) as he did on R4.

She tore him to shreds.

9 minutes. Cake. The War. He brought us Brexit. He didn't deliberately set out to deceive or break the law. Yes he should've walked out the room but he didn't. He's such a busy man, he was just being sociable Blah blah...

People with integrity don’t need excuses.

@Hrpuffnstuff1

I think everyone who ever had an FPN should immediately resign from their jobs. Ethical standards must be applied across the general populous. Fairs-fair now.

But is the person who has received a FPN (never had one btw) the same person who has made up the rules and stood in front of the whole nation telling others they must abide with them, whilst also disregarding them at their place of work?

Surely you can see the difference between the average person receiving a FPN at home than the PRIME MINISTER of the country receiving one for flouting one of the rules he and his party had been stood up on TV, watched by millions of people, telling them everyone must abide by the rules.

If you can't see the difference between the two scenarios that's a concern.

Alexandra I need to see that. He had a very very easy ride on BBC. It was nauseating.

Come on now, those with speeding offenses resign immediately.

The problem is this fury is being created because Labour voters are causing a big scene across Twitter. People have to understand they have another 2 yrs of this until the GE in 2024.