Boris has been fined - Tory voters, should he go?

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Both Johnson and Sunak have received fines for the lockdown parties. No further details as yet.

Do any Conservative voters here think Boris should resign?

@JaniieJones

I cannot believe we've been told they've been given FPNs but no context.

So we've no idea if it was the 10mins in the Cabinet Office eating cake or a 5 hour party in the flat with friends and family.

It matters! The first not a resigning matter the second yes. Sunak was even asked if he'd attended a party and he said no so he was clearly oblivious that he was at a 'party'.

These FPNs may well not be worth the paper they're written on.

If FPN have been issued then he and Sunak have broken the fucking law. It's really, really simple.

Stop making excuses for these twats and raise your expectations as to how the people who lead the country behave.

I don’t expect my MPs to be pure as driven snow
I don’t expect them to work for the national average and not get pay rises and be paid way above the national average
I don’t expect MPs not to have affairs and over business dealings (as long as doesn’t conflict with work as MP)

I expect them to deliver a functioning economy, to provide basic financial support to those that need it and free healthcare to all at the point of need ie a&e, and means tested in other scenarios

So.. on basis of above - all think what Boris is and has done is more than sufficient

@SpinningMeSoftly

I didn't realise you were so unwell, *@ancientgran*. You are such a presence round these parts. Wishing you well

Thank you for the flowers. I've had some real ones as well, getting a bit of fuss.

@Heythere13

I don’t expect my MPs to be pure as driven snow I don’t expect them to work for the national average and not get pay rises and be paid way above the national average I don’t expect MPs not to have affairs and over business dealings (as long as doesn’t conflict with work as MP)

I expect them to deliver a functioning economy, to provide basic financial support to those that need it and free healthcare to all at the point of need ie a&e, and means tested in other scenarios

So.. on basis of above - all think what Boris is and has done is more than sufficient

You don't expect the people who literally write the law to follow it?

Fucking hell.

'I do recall you said on several occasions, recently, that you would change you view on BJ if he was ever found guilty.'

Yes of attending a party. Not this.

I thought there'd been a big knees up in the flat or something according to Cummings? Maybe there's more who knows.

But this is a damp squib and we all know it.

@Tilltheend99
And yet most of the “true” Tories voted for him as leader, knowing exactly what he’s like. Three wives, Affairs, etc aren’t very traditional conservative values either. The Conservatives haven’t been Conservative for many, many years. They stand for trickle up economics and sell, sell, sell. That’s it.

@Heythere13

I don’t expect my MPs to be pure as driven snow I don’t expect them to work for the national average and not get pay rises and be paid way above the national average I don’t expect MPs not to have affairs and over business dealings (as long as doesn’t conflict with work as MP)

I expect them to deliver a functioning economy, to provide basic financial support to those that need it and free healthcare to all at the point of need ie a&e, and means tested in other scenarios

So.. on basis of above - all think what Boris is and has done is more than sufficient

Very true. Did you see Panorama last night? Those poor families, made me cry.

Sorry not clear

I DO expect them and I am fine with them being paid way above the National average

@UnconditionalSurrender

This isn't a BJ problem, it's a Tory Party problem. Johnson is a liar and a chancer, he's been at it his entire lifetime. That's part of his appeal it seems. However Johnson as Prime Minister being a liar, lying to parliament and then found to be breaking the law is a big problem. It doesn't matter whether there's no-one else who appeals, or Keir Starmer is boring, or Johnson says a woman has a cervix, or Jeremy Corbyn or whatever, that's all irrelevent. If the Tory Party stick with Johnson for their own ends then they are saying there are no rules for politicians, there are no standards in public life, Prime Ministers can break the law with impunity and then Peston is right we have hit the bottom of the slope. No Tory voter with any shred of decency should want to be part of that.

Agree with this.

[quote Cornettoninja]@Hrpuffnstuff1 why do you think I believe there is a more virtuous person waiting in the wings? I don’t, what I do believe is that the more Boris and his cabinet get away with the lower our standards sink and the path is cleared for worse.

Even an MP fully signed up to team Boris would be wary of taking the position after this and likely behave cautiously, if they see no consequences we end up with worse. I fully believe that every politician who came out in defence of Rishi Sunak and his wife has their own less than palatable dealings and every MP supporting Boris is acting in a similar manner to him or worse.

It needs to stop, this country has huge issues to face and doesn’t need the distraction of their incompetent pisstaking.[/quote]
Oh, give over it's hardly Watergate.

Why is finding out who broke the law a "Witch Hunt" ? You'd enjoy yourself up here in Sturgeon's Scotland where police tackled people to the ground for dancing.

@DGRossetti

Hardly surprising that a paedophile was attracted to the Tory party when he saw the low ethical bar they hold their leaders to.

It certain makes me wonder why some people are so passionate in their defence of Johnson.

And this is one flying under the radar now isn’t it?

Blunts criticism of Khan’s verdict is appalling. The fact he thinks it’s ok to make that kind of statement is mind boggling.

'If FPN have been issued then he and Sunak have broken the fucking law. It's really, really simple'

Context. Eating cake in an office, it's not a party. It's 'really really simple'. It's a token fpn.

The msm and the opposition maybe need to take some deep breaths and calm their jets a bit.

I don't expect politicians to be saints, none of us are but I do think what the cost of living crisis is doing to people is criminal. Maybe they should be investigated for that.

Yes of attending a party. Not this

Which bit of breaking the law don't you get?!

And how do you know it is just cake-gate? I have looked and looked but am unable to establish which parties and how many

@Heythere13

expect them to deliver a functioning economy

Well increasing millions will seemingly never be to afford their own home and an increasing number are having to rely on public charity to eat. Seems they’re not doing too well on that front either.

Talk about moving the goal posts. Incredible.

@JaniieJones

'If FPN have been issued then he and Sunak have broken the fucking law. It's really, really simple'

Context. Eating cake in an office, it's not a party. It's 'really really simple'. It's a token fpn.

The msm and the opposition maybe need to take some deep breaths and calm their jets a bit.

Have they said that is what they have been fined for, have they even said they have only had one fine?

@JaniieJones

'I do recall you said on several occasions, recently, that you would change you view on BJ if he was ever found guilty.'

Yes of attending a party. Not this.

I thought there'd been a big knees up in the flat or something according to Cummings? Maybe there's more who knows.

But this is a damp squib and we all know it.

Only if you are a tory apologist with no moral standards. To anyone else... nope.

The police haven't finished their investigation. It is ongoing. Wonder what else will surface.

@JaniieJones

'If FPN have been issued then he and Sunak have broken the fucking law. It's really, really simple'

Context. Eating cake in an office, it's not a party. It's 'really really simple'. It's a token fpn.

The msm and the opposition maybe need to take some deep breaths and calm their jets a bit.

I KNEW you'd be along to push that line. Honestly jj, give it up.

Why should anyone calm their jets? These fuckers are taking us all for mugs in so very many ways.

Some posters on here (@JJ the main one) will never see any wrong in Boris. Hilarious that after the issue of these fines they continue to do so. As you say, you can't argue with stupid!

Boris wouldn’t have thought drinks after work with colleagues you’ve spent all day with as a party. And if he did, he’s not the Boris that people thought he was. I feel quite sure that Boris knows an actual party.

Of the friend who claimed to me that she hasn’t broken the rules and I gave her the examples of where she had, she said “but I didn’t spread it, I couldn’t have, it was still in the spirit of lockdown”. She would have sworn up and down she had stuck to the rules but I could prove that she hadn’t and then she remembered but because her 92 yr old granny wasn’t in danger it was ok. Nothing dreadful, just a G&T in the conservatory in the pouring rain, miles apart from each other.

For me, if you put CEV people in danger, then you’re not great, even now and there are no laws about what I can and can’t do. However, if I got Covid tomorrow, I would stay at home and isolate until I tested negative. It’s not the law, but I’d do it. People having a drink with people they’ve spent all the working day with, does not, to me, suggest that he went round infecting people.

I feel the same about anyone who did what he did. Corbyn’s dinner party, Starmer’s beer after campaigning - I don’t give a shit! I don’t care who “made the rules” - they were recommended by the lovely Chris Whitty who obviously thinks everyone lives in London. Don’t leave your village? I don’t have so much as a neighbour selling eggs here.

The reason MOST people didn’t have to pay their FPNs is because they were issued pointlessly.

I’m a floating voter and I voted Tory in the last election. And I would vote for them again because there is no competition. I actually like Starmer but his party and non policies are a shambles so until he cuts the rot out, Johnson gets my vote. Teresa May would not have had the same welcome by Zelensky. Johnson is clearly liked on a personal level by foreign leaders, even if they don’t agree with his politics. Raab, Sunak, etc don’t have that.

surely lots of people would be sacked for breaking the law? certainly the law makers should be sacked for breaking their own laws!

Blunts criticism of Khan’s verdict is appalling. The fact he thinks it’s ok to make that kind of statement is mind boggling.

The Tory party does seem to attract sex offenders. But now we know the morals of the membership we can see why. I know which party I'd join if I had some niche proclivities.