Boris has been fined - Tory voters, should he go?

[NewYorker80]

Both Johnson and Sunak have received fines for the lockdown parties. No further details as yet.

Do any Conservative voters here think Boris should resign?

I don’t know a single person, not one, who stuck 100% to lockdown rules.

Guess what ?

I don’t know a single person, not one, who made the lockdown rules

And that, my situationally challenged friend is the difference.

Presumably he was representing the government in Ukraine, so can be replaced by someone else

Of course he can!

I'm sick of hearing, he can't go because of Ukraine.

Asquith was replaced as PM during WW1
Chamberlain was replaced as PM during WW2
Thatcher was replaced as PM during Gulf War.

It can be a seamless transition. It's just an excuse.

@walkersareback

I want him to sort out the NHS, make additional rate tax higher and windfall tax any French owned energy firms.

But he is not going to do that is he?

Of course not. He’s lost his Russian oligarchs, he needs to replace those income streams somehow.

If I was given to conspiracy I’d say it was no coincidence that sunaks feeling the heat right now either.

no call for resignation from me

I have emerged from this pandemic with my finances in order due to furlough
My health in order because of care I received from nhs during covid
Double jabbed much earlier than in laws thirty years my senior in another country
And my Children happy and healthy
Oh and I came back from a holiday a fortnight ago having breezed in and out with my covid vaccine cert

So all good here. And I credit that a great deal to Boris and his colleagues

@Cornettoninja

I think you're in cloud cuckoo land. Thie idea that if Boris goes, somehow a more virtuous person will take his place is absurd.
Why don't ask John Maor, the guy who was banging a colleague on the desk?

I give up, let's get Labour in to stop the crying.
Nothing will change, nothing at all.

@Roussette

I know he has got charisma for some peope, but that part of my brain must be missing because I just don't get it! He looks a mess all the time, he has a permanent sneering smirk on his face, I imagine (I don't know) that he's lazy, and not a very nice person. Surely the amiable buffoon charisma gene is boring for people now? Hasn't he worn it out?

I don't get it either. He doesn't seem to have one redeeming feature.

@derxa

Here is the footage of Sunak in parliament saying he did not attend any parties. I honestly don't believe many of these gatherings were 'parties ' as most of us understand the word. I find Partygate to be a pathetic witch hunt. Having said all that, I'd be happier with a new Cabinet consisting of people with integrity. Let's have a clear out.

Even the one with people sitting on laps, breaking a swing , going down a slide an singing karaoke derxa?? What about the ABBA one?? The wines and beer in a suitcase??? Come on now.

@Franklin12 agreed. Labour are too content to be an incoherent party of opposition. Only a centre left party will threaten the Tories.

[quote sobeyondthehills]@GottaLoveTheCold

He is sorting the NHS by selling it bit by bit, so there isn't one he has to worry about[/quote]
This might change my opinion of him actually. Who has he sold the NHS to?

I think Sunak will resign as a way to try to put pressure on Boris to go, as sunak was game over anyway. This way he looks to be more noble, and not slithering out becayse him and his missus are billionaires avoiding taxes.

Sunak was even asked if he'd attended a party and he said no so he was clearly oblivious that he was at a 'party

He simply lied.

You cannot be oblivious to it unless you're thick and Sunak may be a lot of things... thick he ain't

@JinglingHellsBells

I don't vote Tory but neither do I see this as a resigning matter.

What's ironic is that all over lockdown, this forum was full of posters saying they were ignoring the rules and carrying on partying. I lost count of people openly admitting they were not following lockdown rules.

I wonder where they are now?

So the Prime Minister who signed off on the Ministerial Code Of Conduct (which states that if an elected official wilfully and knowingly mislead MPs and if they did they have to resign) shouldn't resign??? He shouldn't follow the rules in Parliament that he, himself, helped to set up???

@DGRossetti

I don’t know a single person, not one, who stuck 100% to lockdown rules.

Guess what ?

I don’t know a single person, not one, who made the lockdown rules

And that, my situationally challenged friend is the difference.

I did, I worked really hard to protect 75 year old disabled CEV husband. The irony is I got it six weeks ago, been suffering, turned to covid pneumonia and I'm waiting for appointment at heart and lung unit at local hospital.

Thanks Boris for lifting everything this year so it's spread like wildfire.

He's not going anywhere.

Every time he does anything, I always imagine Stanley living vicariously through his son. He never got the PM role, but by god, he will have it through one of his children.
So I imagine he drops 50K here and there to convince other tories not to boot him out.

Luckily for him, we have lots of people like some of the posters on here who will accept anything that comes their way .

He shouldn't follow the rules in Parliament that he, himself, helped to set up??? He makes the rules, he doesn't follow them.

Hey there has a point. There will always be the left wing voters wanting Labour in but Labour dont want power so what are we left with. Yes, I went on holiday, it was painful to do the forms last year but so it should have been. It wasnt for the faint hearted. I have a relative who says they wont go anywhere until everything is back to normal.

Wll just carry on waiting. Life will pass you by.

Sorry to hear that @ancientgran
Me and DH have just got it too, I was worried about him (health problems previously) but think we're over the worst.
Hope that happens for you too

He should go but he's like Teflon, nothing sticks so he won't go.
We were looking back at lockdown with my teens just recently. We stuck to the rules so rigidly because of the fear generated by bojo and his cronies. My teenagers were saying just yesterday how even though they were homeschooling and had no contact with anyone outside our household, the fact that only I was doing the shopping one day a week, the fact that my parents were only 7 houses down the road and they weren't leaving the house either so we had no outside contact, it makes no sense now but in the heart of lockdown we never entered my parents house not they ours.
It is important to all those who lost loved ones but couldn't attend funerals, whose relatives declined in health and died alone in care homes, to all those who were terminally ill and there care and treatment was delayed.
It matters and he must go

Don't vote Tory. He should. But we all know he won't.

Oh well Sturgeon and Blackford say he must resign so that's that then.

@Hrpuffnstuff1 why do you think I believe there is a more virtuous person waiting in the wings? I don’t, what I do believe is that the more Boris and his cabinet get away with the lower our standards sink and the path is cleared for worse.

Even an MP fully signed up to team Boris would be wary of taking the position after this and likely behave cautiously, if they see no consequences we end up with worse. I fully believe that every politician who came out in defence of Rishi Sunak and his wife has their own less than palatable dealings and every MP supporting Boris is acting in a similar manner to him or worse.

It needs to stop, this country has huge issues to face and doesn’t need the distraction of their incompetent pisstaking.

Are you saying Sturgeon and Blackford are the only people in the UK saying he must resign?

I don't think so!

He broke the law, and lied repeatedly, including to Parliament.
Of course he has to resign.
The role of Prime Minister used to be one to be respected, taken seriously. Previous PMs resigned for far less, because they realised the damage their actions had done to the office, the country, their Party etc..
Not this one though. He’s only in it for himself. Utterly outrageous behaviour.

@derxa

Here is the footage of Sunak in parliament saying he did not attend any parties. I honestly don't believe many of these gatherings were 'parties ' as most of us understand the word. I find Partygate to be a pathetic witch hunt. Having said all that, I'd be happier with a new Cabinet consisting of people with integrity. Let's have a clear out.

Well the police believe they were parties and their opinion counts on this one. If Johnson disagrees he can refuse to accept the fine, go to court and hopefully get a criminal record.

We can only hope and pray.

@Franklin12

Alex - but they havent learned a thing about winning. They dont seem to want to. They are digging deeper and deeper holes for themselves and come the election they will become unstuck. Do you honestly think that Labour as it is now (no Corbyn!) would have any chance of winning any sort of majority any time soon? Are they preparing themselves as the party to beat the Tories?

It should be easy for them and yet they spoil it for themselves all the time. I strongly suspect they are in a massive echo chamber where they agree with all the woke, right on ideas with no understanding of whether they are winning ideas. And as I have said many times. THAT SUITS THEM JUST FINE.

None of that has any bearing on Johnson's lack of fitness for office.