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Ukraine Invasion Part 18

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Ijsbear · 02/04/2022 14:10

Place for information, discussion, points of view, useful links and above all, a hope that this sovereign land can regain its freedom.

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RedToothBrush · 06/04/2022 19:02

www.politico.com/news/2022/04/06/satellite-russian-war-crimes-00023386
Satellite companies join the hunt for Russian war crimes
The firms that helped document the Russian invasion of Ukraine are now finding imagery of atrocities.

PaperTyger · 06/04/2022 19:03

Amazing podcast on Putin BBC podcasts

Fantastic! From people who were close to him.
It's utterly fascinating.
Last night's pod cast discussed among other issue's how Obama calling him. regional Statesman would have triggered him.

Alexandra re sanctions, I'm incredulous that those in his immediate family Havant already Been curtailed esp when it's own children who will be entrusted with his money even more then the oligarchs!

However, with the other sanctions they have too Keep something in reserve.
To keep up the threat.

PaperTyger · 06/04/2022 19:04

Red I agree with the earlier poster, re definition of genocide.
Once international investigation occurs and calls it.so be it.

PaperTyger · 06/04/2022 19:10

Not me again

Little nuggets like that, although obvious really are so heartening!

Let's hope they took the opportunity to pull them aside for lots of other training.

TiddyTidTwo · 06/04/2022 19:11

Americans going nuts on Twitter what Biden said.

They have a short memory. 9/11. Just because it's on our doorstep now it's all of a sudden very unimportant

RedToothBrush · 06/04/2022 19:12

Dan Lamothe @danlamothe
A background briefing with a senior defense official at the Pentagon about the war in Ukraine just concluded.

It’s Day 42 of the war, and here are some takeaways:

Notable: In the last 24 hours, the Pentagon assessed that Russian forces have completely withdrawn from the Kyiv and Chernihiv areas, senior defense official says.

No significant changes in south. Pentagon has seen reports that Ukraine has surrendered Mariupol, “but we do not assess that that has happened,” senior defense official says.

Russians have moved from northern Ukraine into Belarus for refit and resupply. There are indications those efforts are underway, senior defense official says.

“Our assessment is that they won’t want to spend too much refitting and resupplying because they have made a very public show of saying that they’re going to prioritize their efforts on the Donbas region,” senior defense official says.

Of the 130 battalion tactical groups Russia applied to the invasion, more than 80 are still inside Ukraine, senior defense official says. Each generally has 800 to 1,000 troops, senior defense official says.

Pentagon is working under the assumption that “the majority” of the Russian units that have withdrawn will be reapplied elsewhere in the war after resupplying.

“But we just don’t know,” senior defense official says.

There has not yet been a tangible increase in Russian forces in the Donbas region, senior defense official says. They have dedicated more than 30 battalion tactical groups there so far, likely amounting to more than 24,000.

Ukrainian forces have been “recalibrating since the beginning,” and are continuing to do so in eastern Ukraine, senior defense official says. Notes that Ukraine took advantage of Russia pulling back elsewhere to attack.

“As they have beaten back the Russians or as the Russians have left, they are reoccupying that ground and making their own assessments about what their force posture ought to be going forward,” senior defense official says.

Ukrainian forces “are absolutely adapting and adjusting in real time to Russian efforts now to increase their activities there” in eastern Ukraine, senior U.S. defense official says.

One of the reasons the Pentagon announced last night another $100 million in weapons transfers to Ukraine is because there was an “urgent need” for Javelins in the Donbas and the Ukrainians want to be ready.

“Lots of adjustments in real time,” senior defense official says.

As of today, the Russians have launched more than 1,450 missiles since launching their invasion, senior defense official says.

Airstrikes in recent days are concentrated heavily south of the Ukrainian town of Izyum and into the Joint Force Operations (JFO) area.

On Bucha: Pentagon doesn’t have a clear read on why atrocities were carried out. But the killings there “certainly appear to be premeditated” and “deliberate,” senior defense official says.

“Clearly a message was sent to the world of Russia’s brutality, and that’s the message that should not be forgotten here,” senior defense official says of brutality in Bucha.

North of Kyiv, Ukraine is doing de-mining operations, senior U.S. defense official says. Ukraine will have to make sense of what to do there next.

On fuel: U.S. has “had discussions with the Ukrainians about fuel needs and fuel requirements,” senior defense official says. Adds that he will “leave it at that.”

Phillips P OBrien @phillipspobrien
This last comment deserves special notice. The Russians have seemed to target Ukrainian fuel facilities more recently. Looks like the US is going to do what they can to get them the fuel to operate. Maintaining Ukrainian mobility in the Donbas will be crucial.

blueshoes · 06/04/2022 19:14

@RedToothBrush

www.politico.com/news/2022/04/06/satellite-russian-war-crimes-00023386 Satellite companies join the hunt for Russian war crimes The firms that helped document the Russian invasion of Ukraine are now finding imagery of atrocities.
Great article - effectively global CCTV in the sky
RedToothBrush · 06/04/2022 19:27

kyivindependent.com/uncategorized/as-ukraine-regains-control-of-borodyanka-area-more-russians-atrocities-come-to-light/
As Ukraine regains control of Borodyanka area, more Russians’ atrocities come to light

Around 200 people have been buried alive in the basements when Russian bombs destroyed the buildings, local authorities estimate.

“Hope dies last,” said Anatoliy Rudnichenko, an adviser to the mayor of Borodyanka, speaking of whether any of these civilians could have survived.

He then sighed heavily and whispered: “You and I both understand that none of them are alive.”

And

In early March, Russian planes dropped 500-kilogram bombs on the town, demolishing around 10 high-rise houses. Their residents had been hiding in the basements at the time of the attack.

“Borodyanka is the first town in our country where Russians bombed civilians,” Rudnichenko said. The Kyiv Independent hasn’t been able to confirm it.

"We have no military bases, nothing,” he said, emphasizing that what Russia did to his town is, he believes, a war crime. Since the start of the invasion, the Russian government has been falsely claiming that the Russian forces are targeting only military infrastructure.

And

Borodyanka has possibly seen more civilian casualties than any other place in the region, according to Prosecutor General Iryna Venediktova.

This comes just days after Ukraine and the world were shocked by the revelations of the mass murder of civilians committed by Russian forces in Bucha, another town near Kyiv.

Borodyanka is different: Here, locals were killed by air bombs, not tortured and shot in the streets, like in Bucha. But the number of victims can be even higher.

Igotjelly · 06/04/2022 19:42

TRIGGER WARNING

BBC news reporting that there are stories coming out of Mariupol of women being so violently gang raped that they’ve died 😭 holy fuck how fucking depraved men can be.

TiddyTidTwo · 06/04/2022 19:50

Oh god lg. we've only seen the tip of the iceberg so far, I fear.

EsmaCannonball · 06/04/2022 19:52

Belarusians sabotaging railway lines has been mentioned on these threads. Belarusian television has broadcast images of three men being arrested for this. The men have been badly beaten or shot in the legs. With this being Belarusian television, it is entirely possible that it's fake news to deter would-be saboteurs, but, if not, it is terrible for those men.

Catquestion · 06/04/2022 19:53

@Igotjelly

TRIGGER WARNING

BBC news reporting that there are stories coming out of Mariupol of women being so violently gang raped that they’ve died 😭 holy fuck how fucking depraved men can be.

There are no words to describe those soldiers. I’m not religious but I really wish hell existed and that those soldiers would suffer the fate they inflicted on those poor women every day for eternity. Absolute fucking monsters
EsmaCannonball · 06/04/2022 20:03

Horrible images from Vorzel where Russians have tortured pets and domesticated animals. Utter, despicable bastards.

MagicFox · 06/04/2022 20:08

I know I'm really naive but I can't get my head around this, the horror of it. And I can't get my head around the way the soldiers think and act. Especially if they're conscripts - young boys, what was their life like before? I feel like this can't be real life because it's the stuff of nightmare films, I'm really struggling to match life before with life now, to unsee. How can this be. I know Russian people, I can't square those that I know with this strange collective that we're talking about. I thought russia was a different place to what it seems to be like.

Apologies, count on me for wine-fuelled emotional posts

TiddyTidTwo · 06/04/2022 20:13

Bloody hell esma just seen that.

No words.

Other than I'm sick to the stomach.

Igotjelly · 06/04/2022 20:16

I think I’ve finally crossed the threshold into feeling like we need to step in. God never thought I’d say that. I understand the existential risk but I’m not even sure it’s a world I want my kids to grow up in anymore, especially if such horrific crimes go unpunished.

Alexandra2001 · 06/04/2022 20:18

Tobias Ellwood calling for Tanks, MiGs and most importantly protect Odesa with a humanitarian naval protected shipping channel in the Black Sea.... bout ffffing time!

Now lets get on with it.

Igotjelly · 06/04/2022 20:19

Any thoughts on when international humanitarian teams (including from NATO) will be able to start going in to help rebuild without Russia crying that they’re joining the war?

Alwayscheerful · 06/04/2022 20:19

Just listened to the BBC Podcast on Putin , he spent his honeymoon in 1983 touring Ukraine!

PaperTyger · 06/04/2022 20:22

Op the EU hasn't stopped warConfused who wanted war in the main when really we are still in recovery form the ww2?

The EU hasn't stopped war. It was created to swerve future war's.

Whether that works will remain to be seen.
But if trade is solely the reason why some believe it will work clearly that' strategy hasn't worked with Russia.

But, with Billions still flooding too Putin the true test hasn't really happened yet.

PaperTyger · 06/04/2022 20:23

Always

I hadn't got to that part yet!!

Couldn't make it up!!

MagicFox · 06/04/2022 20:23

Why aren't China equally as disgusted by this? Surely there comes a point where politics are forgotten and the human cost takes precedent? I know I'll need my hard hat for saying this...

Alexandra2001 · 06/04/2022 20:24

@Igotjelly

TRIGGER WARNING

BBC news reporting that there are stories coming out of Mariupol of women being so violently gang raped that they’ve died 😭 holy fuck how fucking depraved men can be.

In WW2 German women were killing themselves rather than be caught by the advancing Russians.

I'd known my neighbour since a child, until she recently died, i had no idea how she has suffered at the hands of the Red Army... how the hell do you move on from that? but she did!
she and my mum were great friends, i think my mum knew but never told me.

MagicFox · 06/04/2022 20:25

@PaperTyger

Op the EU hasn't stopped warConfused who wanted war in the main when really we are still in recovery form the ww2?

The EU hasn't stopped war. It was created to swerve future war's.

Whether that works will remain to be seen.
But if trade is solely the reason why some believe it will work clearly that' strategy hasn't worked with Russia.

But, with Billions still flooding too Putin the true test hasn't really happened yet.

I worry about this: surely cutting russia off post-war is dangerous in that sense?

I do appreciate everybody's patience with ignorant questions, thank you

TargusEasting · 06/04/2022 20:26

@MagicFox

Why aren't China equally as disgusted by this? Surely there comes a point where politics are forgotten and the human cost takes precedent? I know I'll need my hard hat for saying this...
Your hard hat is Made in China.