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Ukraine Invasion Part 18

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Ijsbear · 02/04/2022 14:10

Place for information, discussion, points of view, useful links and above all, a hope that this sovereign land can regain its freedom.

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notimagain · 06/04/2022 16:18

@DuncinToffee

Bit of a cop out from Chanel “Next, the manager said that starting from today they were selling to Russians only if they sign an agreement not to wear their items in Russia.” Hmm
What’s the context for that remark - specifically was it made at a store in Russia or elsewhere?
ScrollingLeaves · 06/04/2022 16:21

At a store in Dubai I think.

DuncinToffee · 06/04/2022 16:23

Yes in a Dubai store , it's from the article DGR linked.

ScrollingLeaves · 06/04/2022 16:33

I thought Putin thought that sort of lust for Western luxuries was not what Russia represents. It looks very decadent.

Ijsbear · 06/04/2022 16:35

oh, the elite are different scrolling. They know how to behave, so they can be trusted with Chanel and other luxuries.

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DuncinToffee · 06/04/2022 16:41

Greece expels 12 Russian diplomats

In a statement the Greek foreign ministry said:

“The Greek authorities have declared 12 members of the Diplomatic and Consular Missions of the Russian Federation, accredited in Greece, as personae non-gratae.

PaperTyger · 06/04/2022 17:07

I'm really surprised that only now have two of his children Been sanctiones

notimagain · 06/04/2022 17:14

@DuncinToffee

Yes in a Dubai store , it's from the article DGR linked.
OK, thanks….it’s a bizarre request to make but since assume it’s still OK for stores in London such as Harrods to sell tat to Russian expats I’m a bit Confused?
RedToothBrush · 06/04/2022 17:18

No leaders, apart from Zelenskyy, have called it a Genocide yet, I assume there must be reasons for that.

If Boris Johnson says "War Crimes" then he can take the moral high ground and denounce Putin and Russia and everyone sends thoughts and prayers and otherwise doesn't do a lot in reality. For weapons, bit of aid, visas for refugees? Right cracking, job done.

If Boris Johnson says "Genocide" then it ups the stakes and the moral high ground disappears precisely because he's not doing much than sending those thoughts and prayers and a few poxy weapons which simply aren't enough.

The political difference between war crimes and genocide is that one means you should be compelled to do as much as humanly possible and thoughts and prayers platitudes simply aren't good enough as the moral high ground compels intervention to stop an ongoing genocide.

The west knows its a genocide. They can not admit it for their own political agendas...

It will be interesting to see where the use of the word goes and who uses it.

In the last two days its been noted that retreating Russian soliders have destroyed bags of wheat, they have destroyed farm equipment and mined farmland near Melitopol and they have targeted food warehouses. There is other evidence of various ways in which Russia has prevented citizens from getting food too.

In this context note the following:
Lesia Vasylenko @lesiavasylenko
Czechia 🇨🇿 approves resolution recognizing Ukraine Holodomor as genocide of Ukrainian people. Yesterday parliament voted to condemn Kyiv region massacres.

Eastern European countries will move towards the word first and fastest. In part to shame Western ones.

Pressure mounts to do more if you use the word genocide. Its use is political.

Also watch the Israeli position. Ironically it looks like Bennett has just lost his parliamentary majority due to an MP quitting over leven bread in hospitals over passover. It raises the prospect of Netanyahu regaining power....

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 06/04/2022 17:40

To call it genocide in law there has to be an element of intent to destroy a particulate group, that's very difficult to prove.

It's not only a moral issue, it has to the exact definition in law.

Alexandra2001 · 06/04/2022 17:42

@RedToothBrush I'm afraid your right, a previous Genocide (Balkans) have triggered NATO action, we don't want to do that, so calling it a war crime instead, removes the need to act.

I'm struggling with why there are still sanctions being brought in 6 weeks after Russia started this war...

Ijsbear · 06/04/2022 17:50

War is no fun anymore.
@KraftTea
Leonid Nevzlin, fmr. exec of Russian oil co. Yukos, gave an interview saying Russian Def. Min. Shoigu traveled to N. Korea & China, begging for missiles which Russia has run out of & can't replace, due to 70-80% foreign parts.
China refused to meet w/ him!

Link from Trent Telenko's twitter which seems generally well regarded.

There seems no doubt that Chinese media is demonifying the USA but if this is true about the Chinese govt refusing to meet him, it implies there really is some sort of neutrality at high-govt level.

if this is true, it would appear the limitless friendship has some limits. I wonder if Putin feels betrayed that someone lied to him?

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TiddyTidTwo · 06/04/2022 18:05

Biden's on. Sounding good so far!

TiddyTidTwo · 06/04/2022 18:07

Biden just said "if I'm going to go to war...."

He's put it back on the table. Whether that's just words, Putin won't know for sure.

CailleachGranda · 06/04/2022 18:10

If you want some lightish relief, George "the cat" Galloway is currently having a hissy fit on twitter as they branded his account state affiliated

MagicFox · 06/04/2022 18:11

@TiddyTidTwo

Biden just said "if I'm going to go to war...."

He's put it back on the table. Whether that's just words, Putin won't know for sure.

What was the context of him saying that? Can't get to any news right now @TiddyTidTwo

TiddyTidTwo · 06/04/2022 18:15

It was when he was speaking about support for Ukraine. Further weapon package delivered last Friday but he won't disclose everything, naturally.

I can't find a link yet as was listening live..

But he was again talking clearly I think the line was addressing fellow Americans

If I'm going to go to war, I'm going to go with you.

notimagain · 06/04/2022 18:17

Meanwhile:

Reuters: " A small number of Ukrainians already in the United States are being trained on how to use Switchblade drones, a senior U.S. defense official said on Wednesday.

The official, speaking on the condition of anonymity.....,"

www.reuters.com/world/us/us-training-small-number-ukrainians-switchblade-drones-defense-official-2022-04-06/

Wonder if there is any other training going on in the States that US Officials are not going to admit to??

TiddyTidTwo · 06/04/2022 18:23

Yep I definitely heard right. Sowing the seeds of doubt in Poo-bins head

twitter.com/mirandadevine/status/1511752782872989699?s=21&t=X_F2uFNgichjrhNzMlpagg

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 06/04/2022 18:24

No leaders, apart from Zelenskyy, have called it a Genocide yet, I assume there must be reasons for that.

Don't quote me on this as I may have dreamt it, but I vaguely remember hearing something about UN obligations during the Rwandan genocide. Something about how their constitution requires them to step in to prevent genocide whereas they still have a choice while it's 'only' war crimes. But I could be wrong thining that.

MagicFox · 06/04/2022 18:57

I'm confused about who he is speaking to here

MagicFox · 06/04/2022 18:57

Is he talking to Ukrainians?

TiddyTidTwo · 06/04/2022 18:58

No American worker unionists I believe?

QuentininQuarantino · 06/04/2022 19:00

I thought Pedro Sanchez of Spain had called it’s genocide but I could be wrong. Zelenskyy speaking to the Spanish parliament and invoking Guernica must have been very powerful.