Ukraine invasion discussion thread part 11

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@ljsbear,
I really mean the officers rather than the poor kids forced into this. Lining all of the equipment up and driving slowly into town with no escape route seems like purposely asking to be bombed.

US military people I know are expressing shock at the equipment and ineptitude. “This army couldn’t take Baltimore, never-mind I'm

Lulled not killed!

Kudos to the Ukrainian UN representative for his use of the idiom, 'couldn't give a monkey's.' And I thought Zelenskyy paraphrasing Shakespeare and Churchill was impressive.

People under 35? or so never grew up in an us-and-them situation

im 48 and it's new to me. I don't remember much about the Falklands as was young and privileged but i spent most of my possibly ignorant youth thinking we were progressing. It's dreadful.

There were sanctions, but not as dramatic or so many of them. And also we’d never had an era of relatively good relations with Russia.

You could buy Ladas in the UK. My DF was in his element as they were 30 year old FIATs that he was fixing as a kid.

But when Gorbachev arrived , it seemed like Russia would become, maybe not friends but something like that. There wasn’t as much anger around.

As Mrs Thatcher famously said: This is a man I can do business with

The Falklands was nothing compared to this. Just nothing. A scuffle.

It is shocking

We share more due to tech advances, I’m on Instagram and in a way you get used to more connections

Younger than me will likely have even better connections - as we watch stuff on Netflix etc

And vice versa all sorts of brands have soared in Russia

It’s awful to be thrown backwards

But I too appreciate calming posts re U.K. as reading some do make me feel a bit tense

[quote unname]@ljsbear,
I really mean the officers rather than the poor kids forced into this. Lining all of the equipment up and driving slowly into town with no escape route seems like purposely asking to be bombed.

US military people I know are expressing shock at the equipment and ineptitude. “This army couldn’t take Baltimore, never-mind I'm[/quote]
the ineptitude is incredible isn't it?

I honestly wondered if they were keeping a lot in reserve but at the point where Putin is appealing for foreign fighters to help, ideally without pay .... Yup. Oh boy, has he miscalculated.

I don't think the Falklands was ever really a question of a new Cold War though, and the worst that might have happened was that Spain grabbed Gib.

It’s strange as most people I know aren’t really talking about it. It’s keeping me awake at night (the fear) and I think about it constantly.

I went to my weekly art class yesterday and nobody mentioned it once. They were talking about the increase in fuel costs though.
And I went for a walk with my friend today and again we didn’t talk about it, only briefly.

It consumes me at the moment.

I'm the same @AgnesWestern - I can't live my life 'normally' and am totally consumed

But when Gorbachev arrived , it seemed like Russia would become, maybe not friends but something like that. There wasn’t as much anger around

I remember the SALT talks and nuclear weapons being withdrawn from parts of Europe. Gorbachev seemed a breath of fresh air. It seemed so positive after the Berlin Wall came down

agnes, I remember you were in a bad state before about it. It might be wise to seek some help.

The war is not likely to go anywhere near the UK. The world has changed in the West/Russia, but we are not at the end of the world.

This level of fear and anxiety you are experiencing is more likely to fundamentally be about something else than about the current situation, and it really would be an idea to seek some help, sweetie.

Ds was born in 93. 3 years after the Berlin Wall came down.

I remember thinking he was born into a safe world.😒

The Falklands War meant buying all the cheap Argentinian wine which had been shoved to the back of the shelves to get drunk on!

Oh to be 17 again!

I was born in 1989.

The most fearful time I can remember was the 9/11 attacks and all the stuff with Bin Laden.

@DGRossetti

There were sanctions, but not as dramatic or so many of them. And also we’d never had an era of relatively good relations with Russia.

You could buy Ladas in the UK. My DF was in his element as they were 30 year old FIATs that he was fixing as a kid.

But when Gorbachev arrived , it seemed like Russia would become, maybe not friends but something like that. There wasn’t as much anger around.

As Mrs Thatcher famously said: This is a man I can do business with

My parents had a Lada, cheap to run and very reliable but basically a box on wheels

@AgnesWestern

It’s strange as most people I know aren’t really talking about it. It’s keeping me awake at night (the fear) and I think about it constantly.

I went to my weekly art class yesterday and nobody mentioned it once. They were talking about the increase in fuel costs though.
And I went for a walk with my friend today and again we didn’t talk about it, only briefly.

It consumes me at the moment.

I really think it is most likely going to be ok. I can feel quite anxious about it, especially at night when there's nothing to distract me. But then I remind myself, there has been no noticeable change in Russia's nuclear posture despite the rattling, and I actually think the sabre rattling has died down a bit in the last few days.

I do wish someone would bump him off though. Could they not just put a heavy object over the bunker door 😆

@agnes I think about it all the time as well. I'm not losing sleep anymore, as I'm limiting how much I read around it. Just R4 and the odd dip in here. Podcasts are very good .

@Ijsbear

Thanks, I did have a break from this thread and from the news.
Maybe I need a longer one.

I do suffer with extreme anxiety anyway and I have ADHD so I tend to obsessively hyperfocus.

I’m mostly frightened for my 3 year old.

I keep looking online at ways to survive a nuclear war, where to go, what to get, iodine pulls and the rest.

My parents seem quite relaxed about it and keep saying that it’s all happened before , now reading these comments I’m feeling anxious again. Seems this is the worst thing since ww2 for us.

@AgnesWestern

Does it matter what people here think.
As much as we chew the fat, people present themselves as experts, look at hundreds of tweets and articles, no one actually knows.

What I do know is that if something kicked off it wouldn't be like what we are seeing in Ukraine.

Putin would be extremely quickly crushed with all the armies of the EU countries, the UK and the USA.
I'm sure they already have all necessary targets locked and would hit them in seconds ( non nuclear).

You sound so worried.
It's probably best to step back as much as possible from the news.

I think this is scarier than the 80's.
The potential for non conventional war seems more imminent, somehow, than it did then.
Back then, the Russians hadn't carried out a novichock attack on our soil, for one thing.
It all seems so unpredictable at the moment.
Having said that, having US nuclear weapons on our soil in the 80's certainly stuck our heads above the parapet.

Although my thoughts aren't about the UK, but about the people there and imagining what it must be like, esp those with elderly parents still under siege .

Someone posted that it was very optimistic to think it wouldn’t come here

I don’t think this is correct.

Obviously as pp we’re all just posting stuff, but I think that bar is too high. It is the scariest time I can remember though so I get why people are anxious. I’m fine generally, working, sleeping etc but some comments do pique the levels sometimes

I don't think it's as bad as the80s as Russian has had a period of being open. The propaganda can't be working as well and at some point some of the people around Putin will have enough and he'll be gone. The problem is that at the moment the army and security services are the closest to him, not so much the politicians or the oligarchs as in previous years.

It's a genocide happening before our eyes , but it's not on the level of the Cold War.

If you can , please donate to Lumos and/or Aerial recovery - both helping to get orphans out of Ukraine, it’s estimated that 5000 children are ‘unaccounted for’, traffickers are posing as aid agency workers to gain access to vulnerable children and young Women. I find the potential future for those targetted far more worrying and upsetting than anything else.