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Ukraine invasion discussion thread - part 10

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cakeorwine · 07/03/2022 19:53

That filled up quick

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DovesofPeace · 07/03/2022 20:35

Initially I was against a new board because it was current and new and people wouldn't find it.
It's still current but there are many New aspects people are discussing now , personally I feel a special board would be helpful.

BreadInCaptivity · 07/03/2022 20:36

@RedToothBrush

Should we not be getting angry at the handling of the refugee crisis? Seriously?

If anything I don't think we are anywhere near angry enough.
I will not be shutting up if they continue to behave like this.

Simply cos its kids and the elderly most screwed by our government's callousness.

I'm angry.

Scathing email has gone to my Tory MP this evening.

I'm honestly utterly ashamed by our Govt's response.

It's inhumane - those poor people who've spent over a week trying to get to Calais being sent to Paris. The lies from Patel etc.

bappymonday · 07/03/2022 20:36

So can I ask whether Labour / Starmer should be doing more lobby our current government into action / doing more?

Gingerwarthog · 07/03/2022 20:36

@RedToothBrush

Should we not be getting angry at the handling of the refugee crisis? Seriously?

If anything I don't think we are anywhere near angry enough.
I will not be shutting up if they continue to behave like this.

Simply cos its kids and the elderly most screwed by our government's callousness.

Did anyone see the shameful footage on BBC of the Ukrainian gentleman, UK resident, trying to get his family into the Uk from France. He had to spend hours trying to find home office staff before finding three staff members in an out of the way building. Think he got some water and a Kit Kat from them and directions to go to Paris.
Gingerwarthog · 07/03/2022 20:37

@bappymonday

So can I ask whether Labour / Starmer should be doing more lobby our current government into action / doing more?
Yvette Cooper is.
DovesofPeace · 07/03/2022 20:37

Op, I'm feeling extremely grateful to the US right now.

EezyOozy · 07/03/2022 20:39

Thanks for the new thread Daffodil

DovesofPeace · 07/03/2022 20:39

Tbh I don't think this is the time for party politics.
I think we need a war cabinet or if that's too inflammatory for "Putin" the raging toddler that we have to keep " calm" then something more gentle.
However I think we need to draw on the best brain's and experience cross parties to a greater degree.
If of course they could manage that.

DovesofPeace · 07/03/2022 20:41

I'm just wondering how we could make dreaming bohemians hotel Idea / millionaire more widespread?

DovesofPeace · 07/03/2022 20:42

Or what about caravan site's?
All the empty , but lovely holiday homes, mobile home's?

TheSillyMastiff · 07/03/2022 20:42

@DovesofPeace

The silly, unfortunately I can't imagine NASS accommodation is going to be of decent standard's.

I know booking out nice hotels wouldn't be sustainable longer term but surely in the short term, preferable whilst people adjust to their New surroundings
And get used to the shock, process what's happened.

NASS accommodation in some areas are nice, flats, houses fully furnished and in good condition in my area. The building is owned by the home office and it's generally kept to the same standard as social housing stock in the area.

Problem we used to have is families would live in NASS for like 3 years, children settled in schools in the local area and then, the day their asylum was granted they were evicted and moved in to B&b's or local authority temporary accommodation and then that was a shock whilst they awaited placement on social housing along with many other people. Contrary to popular belief they don't get "more points" or anything, on the list the same as everyone else.

I once supported a Afghan family who had.come from NASS and I was heartbroken at their story to get here.

In the UK right now though, it's family members wanting to bring them in and house them, so I have no idea why the home office is dragging its feet! They don't need housing provision, it's sorted. Just grant them a quick entry visa and let family care for them. I really can not fathom why the UK is being so pedantic and slow about this!

stillherenow · 07/03/2022 20:47

I heard someone on the radio earlier who had been told by the home office she needed to get her document stamped in Kyiv !!

There's a good podcast by Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart' the rest is politics' first episode last week discussed Putin and I think a new one out tomorrow . Rory S says stopping oil imports is only way to affect regime

DuncinToffee · 07/03/2022 20:50

Jessica Elgot @jessicaelgot

Quite interesting to see so many people acting surprised about the Ukrainian visa offer or calling it a shambles. This is the post-Brexit immigration policy as it was designed to operate - keeping it as closed as possible to refugees and asylum seekers.

DGRossetti · 07/03/2022 20:50

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LittleRedYoshi · 07/03/2022 20:54

The Russian army is apparently 900,000 strong - any theories as to why Putin has "only" sent 150,000 into this conflict? It's unnerving me a bit (i.e. does he have something else planned).

RedToothBrush · 07/03/2022 20:54

Jeff Seldin @jseldin
MORE: Despite #Russia|n efforts to recruit mercenaries from #Syria, US not seeing evidence Syrian fighters have actually arrived in #Ukraine, per senior US defense official

AgnesWestern · 07/03/2022 20:54

I’m not sure I’m comfortable with the notion that Britain is Ukraine’s closest ally Confused no wonder we’re always in the firing line. Hoping Boris keeps a level head and doesn’t get carried away.

HappyWinter · 07/03/2022 20:55

@toastfiend

The poster's tragic. Looks like something someone knocked up using Microsoft Publisher in Year 7 IT back in the early noughties.
It's the second time that I thought it was a spoof.
Greattimestroubledtimes · 07/03/2022 20:57

pms

BoreOfWhabylon · 07/03/2022 20:58

Whew! Finally caught up!

EezyOozy · 07/03/2022 20:58

Just found the Rory Stewart podcast, thanks. Tyskysour is another good one.

DuncinToffee · 07/03/2022 21:00

The Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) says there have been more than 1,200 civilian casualties since war broke out in Ukraine less than two weeks ago.

That includes at least 406 dead and 801 injured.

It said most injuries have been recorded in the Russian-contested regions of Donetsk and Luhansk in eastern Ukraine.

The figures are a conservative estimate and OHCHR has said it "believes that the real figures are considerably higher".

CaveMum · 07/03/2022 21:01

Thanks for the new thread.

DovesofPeace · 07/03/2022 21:01

The silly, I'm not entirely sure social housing stock is kept well here, damp, mould and usually lots of complaints locally. Sad

notimagain · 07/03/2022 21:02

@LittleRedYoshi

The Russian army is apparently 900,000 strong - any theories as to why Putin has "only" sent 150,000 into this conflict? It's unnerving me a bit (i.e. does he have something else planned).
Well it’s early days to go “all in” (even if the logistics were up to it).

I also suspect he needs to keep just a few on borders elsewhere just in case somebody has something else planned …..Hmm

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