Ukraine invasion discussion thread - part 10

[cakeorwine]

That filled up quick

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4497950-Ukraine-invasion-discussion-thread-part-9

@MMBaranova The UK armed forces and the departments allied to them have been great, no taking that away from them. The Home office under the direction of Ms Patel far less so. And God only know's who did the poster, still hoping its the result of a UK Government department having been hacked.

@dreamingbohemian

DovesofPeace Welcome to MN

You are a new arrival to a thread series that's seen 9000 posts, if you find it boring then you are free to start another thread, Ukraine for Tories perhaps.

This.

It's obvious now, but Belarus and Russia must have created that refugee crisis on the Polish border last year to make Europe, especially Poland, antagonistic to Ukrainian refugees, or unable to cope with the current situation. They must be surprised with the overall actual response.

@EsmaCannonball

In the recent debacle in Afghanistan, wasn't it discovered that high-up people in the Afghan army had artificially inflated the number of soldiers and pocketed the money that would have paid and equipped those non-existent troops? It's been suggested that the same has been going on in Russia. It's a mafia state.

There certainly is thought that perhaps the poor state of some equipment (e.g. tyres) and provisions (esp. rations) may have been due to senior officers/civil servants from the top, each taking a cut on contracts..it’s about the only way to explain some of what seems to have gone on.

As you say, mafia state.

Does anyone else find it depressing that the aid promised today by the UK Government is less than the amount won by the UK's largest Euromillions winner by about 100million ? Just to put it in some sort of perspective.

@Wrongkindofovercoat

Does anyone else find it depressing that the aid promised today by the UK Government is less than the amount won by the UK's largest Euromillions winner by about 100million ? Just to put it in some sort of perspective.

There are other things going on behind the scenes to do with the armed forces and humanitarian aid . Not everything can be public. I also know f families on their way back that don’t seem to be having problems as described on here .

www.legalcheek.com/2022/03/russia-ukraine-war-immigration-lawyers-rally-to-support-refugees/
Russia-Ukraine war: UK immigration lawyers rally to support refugees
Away from national headlines, a corner of the legal profession is doing extraordinary things not in lucrative defence of oligarchs, but in unpaid support for those fleeing

Why have Macdonalds, Coca Cola & Pepsi not pulled out of Russia yet?! FFS🤬. Will not purchase again.

I'm not New to MN.

I've been on these threads since day 1.

They were great but it's turning into something else.

I'm not a Tory.

Criticism where it's due and praise where it's due has been balanced in previous threads

However some posters are piggybacking on this crisis to shout down with the Tories

I find that distasteful.

It's been called out on the earlier threads and thankfully it was reigned in.

I get so confused when the new thread starts as can never see it posted on the end of the old one!

It's been called out on the earlier threads and thankfully it was reigned in

Sadly though, some of the recent statements by Ministers reflect their previous behaviour,

Words like 'world beating', ''First Government to' get bandied around and then the reality hits home.

The sanctions seem ok - we are the home of a lot of Russian money after all - but they do seem to be taking time to implement them.

The refugee handling seems to be a bit of a PR disaster with Liz Truss basically blaming Patel.

Johnson has got a lot on his plate with dealing with this - and he needs to take the public with him, as it's going to be economically painful for us in the UK.

@Gingerwarthog
The gardeners cal be followed on TokTok here vm.tiktok.com/ZMLyhfmL5/

I’ve been watching them closely this last week.

A letter from Sarajevo

twitter.com/bbcworldservice/status/1500056028695699457/photo/1

This is a transcript of the letter

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0bsp843

@DovesofPeace

I'm not New to MN.

I've been on these threads since day 1.

They were great but it's turning into something else.

I'm not a Tory.

Criticism where it's due and praise where it's due has been balanced in previous threads

However some posters are piggybacking on this crisis to shout down with the Tories

I find that distasteful.

It's been called out on the earlier threads and thankfully it was reigned in.

Have you indeed, you've named changed a fair bit in that case haven't you? ;)

I get that op, there's no denying that.
But as a pp said as a country actually we have given other support.

Surely it's not hard to understand the difference between genuine grounded criticism and tribal labour supporters who would find issues with anything that a Tory government does and why it turns threads in on themselves and they become an echo chamber?

Anyway I'm starting to bore myself now.
Just have to see if this Whittles down to a few posters bent on one thing or remains open and informative sharing generally about all aspects of this tragedy.

Just have to see if this Whittles down to a few posters bent on one thing or remains open and informative sharing generally about all aspects of this tragedy

I think it's because people in the UK can't influence the war in Ukraine but we can influence our MPs to act with the refugee crisis. It's something we can do to help make a difference.

Thanks for thread

This is so good to hear. The kindness of others

twitter.com/Ash_Stewart_/status/1500495524302143496?t=01od1YCrgL3bjYXwrkOeag&s=19

@Ijsbear

I've been here about ten years and I frequently name change, because we are an anonymous forum.

That's kind of the point.

There are also some heavily invested posters with absolutely nothing better to do than hunt down posters in a sort of mob rule When someone says something they don't like.

But I'm absolutely sure, no one on this thread has demeaned themselves to wasting their time searching for me, merely because I put a plea out... not to turn this into a political thread.
As has been mentioned many times earlier on.

I’ve just removed Twitter and TikTok from my phone. The latter I didn’t look at as often.
It’s becoming a doomscrolling scenario.

So I’m going to stick to this thread for my updates.

Cake.

I agree with everything your saying.
I'm not talking about our lack of support for refugees.

Perhaps another thread where people can share feedback from various MPs etc??

There's an active thread called something like "Ukraine - a Russian point of view" in which a "new" poster claims to want to know both sides of the story because "the truth will be slap bang in the middle"

Her or she then claimed extremely somewhat disingenuously " The first time I sat up and took notice of the conflict, Luhansk and Donetsk were mentioned in the media many many times.

"And then suddenly it elided into a full-on invasion of Ukraine. What happened in the middle? Did Russia make any impassioned ideological speeches? Did Ukraine show any defiance? Am I alone in thinking I've missed a huge chunk of something here?

(One of the best responses was a simple "Yes" )

I wasn't around in the earliest days of the Westministender threads but it seems very like the times when agents provocateurs were trying to divide public opinion and foment doubt and discord.

@DovesofPeace

I get that op, there's no denying that. But as a pp said as a country actually we have given other support.

Surely it's not hard to understand the difference between genuine grounded criticism and tribal labour supporters who would find issues with anything that a Tory government does and why it turns threads in on themselves and they become an echo chamber?

Anyway I'm starting to bore myself now.
Just have to see if this Whittles down to a few posters bent on one thing or remains open and informative sharing generally about all aspects of this tragedy.

It has been pointed out to you that other MN Ukraine threads exist. Please feel free to take your grievance elsewhere. The cack-handed, baselessly self-congratulatory management style of Johnson's government is all over their responses to this crisis. Stop derailing the thread by trying to obscure that just because it offends your delicate sensibilities.

@DovesofPeace
Why don’t you trot off then and start your own non political thread.
There’s a good girl.

Lucy Fisher @LOS_Fisher
Exc: Ministers have raised concerns about Ireland’s open-door policy to Ukrainian refugees, arguing it creates UK security risk.

Dublin joined EU-wide scheme welcoming refugees for 3 years, via which Ukrainians can travel to UK (Common Travel Area) without biometric checks

Govt source: “Ireland has basically opened the door to everyone in Ukraine, which creates a problem due to the CTA.

“We've seen before with migrants from Albania that they hv come through Dublin, into Belfast & across to the mainland to L'pool. That's created a drug cartel route

Source adds: “It's the Home Office that will get the blame if in three or fives’ years time there are problems with those who come. That’s why the security checks have to be done carefully now.”

Ireland has said it expects to welcome more than 100,000 Ukrainian refugees

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/03/07/france-forced-pick-cost-priti-patels-chaotic-ukraine-refugee/

The absolute state of this.