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The Invasion is ongoing...Part 6

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Damnloginpopup · 02/03/2022 20:49

Things are ramping up. No end in site as yet.

Link to thread 5 here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4494173-The-Invasion-is-ongoing-Part-5?pg=1

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yoolia · 02/03/2022 21:41

I've kind of had it with all the "here's what might happen" comment pieces tbh. All they do is make people anxious and they're not helpful. These people do not have crystal balls.

RagzRebooted · 02/03/2022 21:42

@TheABC

Jumping in to thank everyone who has contributed to the last six threads. What concerns me now is the humanitarian crisis; how do the Ukrainian defenders feed themselves in cities that are encircled and bombed?
Russia has come to rescue and liberate them, I'm sure they brought plenty of provisions for this obvious eventuality. I mean, no one is going to be thanking them if they all starve.

But seriously, it is a huge concern. I know there was a lot of talk of humanitarian corridors re Kyiv but not so much focus on the other cities, which seem to be fully surrounded. Can't air drop food. Doubt there are goods trains running. I really feel for the people who weren't able to flee in time and those who stayed to fight. They will be needing food too.

notimagain · 02/03/2022 21:42

[quote Tigersonvaseline]@notimagain

I'm really enjoying your aviation in put on these threads.[/quote]
Thanks, though I suspect it bores the socks off many.

cakeorwine · 02/03/2022 21:43

@Tigersonvaseline

Strychnine

That's great!
Why on earth are we and the states And other places allowing them all to sail away??

I guess in the future, Russians will have to get used to living in Russia and only being allowed to travel to certain countries. And not allowed to travel to places like London, the South of France, all their playgrounds.

No more sending their children to English private schools.

And a shortage of goods that they are used to seeing in their shops.

It will be like the 80s again for Russia.

Tigersonvaseline · 02/03/2022 21:43

K4

That was interesting thank you.

I agree about the new front, space,sea etc.

Also in all the fast pace news I completely forgot Russia's leader's Said they would re introduction the death penaltySad

Would ordinary Russians even be aware of this? And the laws about treason??

Wannago · 02/03/2022 21:44

@MrsTerryPratchett

Surely we need to be aware this isn't solely a Tory issue?

Surely it currently is one?

I agree that referring to Brown and Blair is historic and irrelevant. But unfortunately we just cannot say that this is solely a Tory issue.

What is, however, highly relevant is the battle for the heart of the Labour Party that is going on right now. See eg:
www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/mar/02/john-mcdonnell-and-diane-abbott-pull-out-of-stop-the-war-rally

This is a very important current issue. It is important that you read the letter that Jeremy Corbyn and others signed literally days before Putin went in. It is important to see who also signed it. It is important to understand who then withdrew, but only on the threat of losing the Labout whip. And think about whether in your view such people should or should not be in the Labour party.

We seem to have a situation where a goodly number of the Tory party have accepted and are possibly in thrall to Russian money. But we also seem to have a goodly portion of the Labour party who struggle to acknowledge Putin as the aggressor - as Jeremy Corbyn did for the Sailsbury poisoning. Is it money? Possibly or possibly not (and if it is money, it may be going in in different ways - less personally, more collectively). But if not, which is more dangerous? Those who would sell their soul to the highest bidder, or those who appear to be instinctively idealogically supportive of Russia, come what may, and have to be repeatedly bludgeoned by others in the Labour Party to acknowledge even the basics of what is going on here.

Igotjelly · 02/03/2022 21:45

@FatCatThinCat

The New York Times is reporting that China knew about the plans to invade Ukraine and just asked for it to be delayed until after the winter Olympics. Can't be spoiling their party now can we. Bastards.
Considering several Kremlin allies have expressed shock at the fact he actually went ahead and invaded could it be possible China thought it was likely bullshit too?
StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 02/03/2022 21:46

@Tigersonvaseline

Strychnine

That's great!
Why on earth are we and the states And other places allowing them all to sail away??

I know!

Maybe this is the start. I did read reports that the US is planning to extend financial attacks on Putin allies in the next couple of days. I hope they go big.

RedToothBrush · 02/03/2022 21:46

Thread (originally in Russia but copied here using google translate)

Maxim Mironov @mironov_fm
Many people ask me to comment on the sanctions.

In short, my scientific conclusion as a professor of finance, doctor of the University of Chicago is FUCKED.

^And double fucked up that the inhabitants of Russia, even the educated, for the most part do not understand what awaits them.
I explain on...^

.. fingers.

Very soon, the Russians will face a shortage of basic products. I'm not talking about all kinds of iPhones, the import of which has already been banned, but about food, clothes, cars, household appliances, etc.

Russia is very strongly integrated into world trade. And already the largest operators refuse ...

...send containers to Russia. But even if a miracle happens and Russia finds someone who is ready to send containers to Russia for three meters, the question is how to pay for it? Export earnings will decrease significantly, as all buyers will try to abandon Russian ...

..goods. We see that even non-sanctioned oil companies cannot find buyers for their oil. Gazprom, the main exporter of gas, is already under sanctions, that is, it is generally unclear how it will receive foreign exchange earnings.

The Russian Central Bank has accumulated a huge money-box, 650 billion ...

.. dollars. Only more than half of these reserves have already been arrested, and what to do with gold is also not very clear. Few banks in the world will want to buy it from the Russian Central Bank, so as not to fall under sanctions or huge fines themselves.

Many people think that Russia over the past years ...

.. built a bunch of factories, only all these factories - automobile, aviation, household appliances, etc. actively use imported components. That is, in the coming months, we will face the shutdown of entire industries with all the ensuing consequences - a shortage of goods, mass...

... unemployment, respectively, a fall in tax collection and, as a result, problems with the payment of salaries to state employees.

Planes even within Russia will also soon stop flying. After all, almost all of them are imported, and the West has already been banned from supplying spare parts. Therefore, we will soon see a massive...

.. decommissioning of aircraft.

The Internet as we knew it will also be shut down. They have already blocked a bunch of information sites, one of these days they are going to block Wikipedia. Twitter and Facebook are already slowing down. Going to shut down YouTube.

About agriculture. Are you aware that..

..in Russia, the share of imported seeds is almost 40%? And for potatoes, the share of imported seeds is 90%? That is, of course, farmers will come up with something over time, but at least in the short term, we should expect a shortage of basic agricultural products and a sharp rise in prices. And that's not all either..

..Everyone who can leave the country will start to leave. Already actively felled. The government understands this, which is why they introduced a bunch of measures today to keep IT people. Only they won't work. Therefore, it is very likely that exit visas will soon be introduced for certain categories or completely ...

... will close the country.

The only plus from this story is that those who are nostalgic for the USSR will be able to feel all its delights in their own skin. And it will not be a relatively herbivorous USSR like Khrushchev-Brezhnev-Gorbachev, but a USSR headed by a crazy dictator.

Well that would probably explain the martial law...

HeadPain · 02/03/2022 21:46

Extraordinary people defending their country from invaders mobile.twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1499075731434967042

Natsku · 02/03/2022 21:47

[quote notimagain]@Natsku

They regularly invade the airspace in Finland, not sure about Sweden, and not in a legitimate way.

I know, that’s the problem with your sovereign airspace border being coincident with the land border…by the time you realise the inbound isn’t going to turn away…Shock[/quote]
A few years ago when they did it several times within a week, it was concluded that they were deliberate incursions, not accidents. I doubt the Sweden one is an accident either.

Beecham · 02/03/2022 21:48

Martial law would allow Putin to impose more severe censorship. Protests and gatherings would be completely banned. Gives authorities even tougher powers in many areas.

Seems like a real possibility in my view.

ParsleySageRosemary · 02/03/2022 21:49

@FatCatThinCat that’s weird because the NY Times also has this, updated 28.02.22. www.nytimes.com/2022/02/27/business/china-russia-ukraine-invasion.html

You’d have to ignore the inflammatory title and read the rest of it. I guess different journalists have different opinions.

Tigersonvaseline · 02/03/2022 21:50

Wannago

Interesting post I wonder if the more persistent posters on this angle want to start a thread about it? It should be thrown wide open And discussed really because as a country we should emerge from this mess with new laws to prohibit foreign money being donated to our politicians.

As for historic references... we've had hundreds of articles about how we've come to this point on Ukraine.
As soon as historic links by another political parties links to russian money are linked... looking at the backstory is irrelevantConfused

Tigersonvaseline · 02/03/2022 21:51

Beecham my initial thoughts were "desperation".

Are they really so desperate?

1Week · 02/03/2022 21:54

Re lacking the parts for Russian factories- China surely?

workisnotawolf · 02/03/2022 21:56

@RedToothBrush- can’t the Russians just barter energy units with the Chinese for goods? So take the currency angle out of it somehow?

DuncinToffee · 02/03/2022 21:57

Mentioned on the previous thread, BBC have confirmed they have launched a new shortwave radio service

The BBC has launched a new shortwave radio service in Ukraine to ensure the resilience of its news operations in Ukraine and Russia, the corporation has announced.

The new broadcasts will make four hours of World Service English news available every day and will reach audiences in Ukraine and parts of Russia.

Listeners in the area will be able to tune into the broadcasts at 15735 kHz from 16:00-18:00 GMT and 5875 kHz from 22:00-00:00 GMT.

Director-General Tim Davie said in a statement: “It’s often said truth is the first casualty of war. In a conflict where disinformation and propaganda is rife, there is a clear need for factual and independent news people can trust – and in a significant development, millions more Russians are turning to the BBC.

“We will continue giving the Russian people access to the truth, however we can."

Throughout the conflict, the BBC's Ukrainian and Russian services are also providing live updates online.

Alexandra2001 · 02/03/2022 21:57

@Wannago 11 MPs, none of which actually attended a Stop the War rally is somehow an equivalence to a political party in government that is funded in part by Putin back money.

Nice try at inferring Labour MPs are being funded by Russia, without a shred of evidence..
Whereas there is a host evidence against the Tory Party.

If you can find a photo of Corbyn playing tennis with the wife of a KGB agent, i'm sure we'd all like to see it.

for ref BJ did in fact play a game of Tennis with the wife of a KGB agent for £140k....... couple of years ago, not in 1992.

I think the lack of really action on Oligarchs (rather than rhetoric) by Johnson, shames us all.

Peregrina · 02/03/2022 21:58

No more sending their children to English private schools.
And a shortage of goods that they are used to seeing in their shops.
It will be like the 80s again for Russia.

For the second statement, business as usual for the ordinary Russian on the street. Not so good for the oligarchs.

CaveMum · 02/03/2022 21:58

Marking my spot, thanks for the new thread @Damnloginpopup

Blinkingbatshit · 02/03/2022 21:59

“Come, collect your sons” - Ukrainian MOD have said any mothers of POWs can come collect their kids. The journey may open their eyes…. On an entirely separate note, Abramovich says he’ll give profits of Chelsea sale to Ukrainians - so who’s going to police him handing over the 2billion?! Nah, take the lot off him now….this is what he’s seeking to avoid before it’s forced…his pr is shit if he thinks it’ll wash.

HeadPain · 02/03/2022 22:00

Evil bastard Putin.

"Kids with cancer in Ukraine shelter in hospital basements, hoping to evacuate
Their treatments have been interrupted by the conflict. If it continues, “our patients, they will die,” a Kyiv doctor said."

www.nbcnews.com/news/world/kids-cancer-ukraine-shelter-hospital-basements-hoping-evacuate-rcna17939

Russian soldiers should look and see if they're happy to cause this.

ethelredonagoodday · 02/03/2022 22:01

Just want to say thank you to everyone contributing to this thread. It's helping me to keep my (usually well managed) anxiety in check.