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The Invasion is ongoing...Part 6

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Damnloginpopup · 02/03/2022 20:49

Things are ramping up. No end in site as yet.

Link to thread 5 here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4494173-The-Invasion-is-ongoing-Part-5?pg=1

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RainbowZebraWarrior · 02/03/2022 21:21

@MrsTerryPratchett

Surely we need to be aware this isn't solely a Tory issue?

Surely it currently is one?

This has always been my point.

It's like the Corbyn whatabouterry which should have no bearing right now

This is something that is happening now. Sure, there are echoes of previous wars and the leaders at that time. But what is happening now does implicate massively our current Government and Leader.

1Week · 02/03/2022 21:22

@AuldAlliance

Thanks for the new thread. I'm curious about the posts saying Zelenskyy is a US puppet. He was elected in 2019, during the Trump presidency - was that the successful outcome of a strategy devised under Obama or Trump? The transcript of the phone call between Trump and Zelenskyy reveals the latter to be a bit fawning, saying he'd stayed at Trump's hotel. But then when Trump tried to get Zelenskyy to incriminate Biden, he stood his ground, leading to a huge freeze on aid to Ukraine and a refusal to invite him to the White House, which would have been a show of US support for Ukraine against Putin. Who was pulling his strings at that point?

I'd like more details on this puppetry.

I'm certainly no expert, but as I understand it, the 2014 protests that ousted the previous pro Russian president were heavily supported by America. It's worth remembering that the Trump administration was particularly shambolic, different factions in different departments did not really accept him as POTUS, and probably saw him as a flash in the pan until business as usual. It is a fact that Hunter Biden did land a plum high paying job in a country where he did not speak the language, in an industry he had no expertise in.
For all I know that's common enough practice - different scions of different political parties operating in different countries. But it supports the notion of a certain cosiness between top Ukrainan interests and US politicians.
katem98 · 02/03/2022 21:22

@yoolia

Re martial law, why would they need to do that for the rouble?

To counter civil unrest.

I wish everyone on this thread (and twitter) would stop leapfrogging onto nuclear war. It isn't good for anyone's anxiety levels, and although it is maybe more likely than it was last week, it still isn't a likely scenario.

I think the 24 hour news cycle has a lot to answer for as we are basically getting an update every time Putin blows his nose.

Thanks for this. My anxiety is sky rocketing at the moment. Have even had to start taking meds.
Lonelycrab · 02/03/2022 21:23

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One mans fucking ego

So much destruction 😔

MissConductUS · 02/03/2022 21:23

@AuldAlliance

Thanks for the new thread. I'm curious about the posts saying Zelenskyy is a US puppet. He was elected in 2019, during the Trump presidency - was that the successful outcome of a strategy devised under Obama or Trump? The transcript of the phone call between Trump and Zelenskyy reveals the latter to be a bit fawning, saying he'd stayed at Trump's hotel. But then when Trump tried to get Zelenskyy to incriminate Biden, he stood his ground, leading to a huge freeze on aid to Ukraine and a refusal to invite him to the White House, which would have been a show of US support for Ukraine against Putin. Who was pulling his strings at that point?

I'd like more details on this puppetry.

Trump, massive twat as he is, was withholding military equipment that congress had already approved for Ukraine. Up to a point, Zelensky seemed to be trying to keep him sweet to get the equipment released.

I don't get the US puppet rubbish either.

BreadInCaptivity · 02/03/2022 21:23

Well thats either a power grab move or the sign of a very paranoid leader who is up shit creek.

How much more power in Russia can he gain?

I think this war is taking too long and it's bleeding the economy dry.

The economic sanctions are unprecedented and nobody could have anticipated how swiftly they were imposed.

Life is going to get very uncomfortable for many Russian people and Putin knows that so he wants everything locked up nice and tight before reality starts to bite.

Newrunner29 · 02/03/2022 21:23

It also means any investigation into where the money is from or what was offered in exchange for money will not be pursued while the people who need to be investigated are in charge or said investigation, I don't think a report on potential interference from Russia into Brexit was even considered

notimagain · 02/03/2022 21:23

Just a comment about claims some posters have made at the tail end of the previous thread about Russian aircraft having entered UK airspace for years: terminology used is very important.

UK sovereign airspace ends 12 miles off shore and it is perfectly legitimate for Russian aircraft to operate just outside the sovereign limit.

FWIW I had a job of sorts at one time keeping an eye on this sort of thing and whilst it was fairly common to have Russian aircraft off the shores of the UK (especially off Scotland) I don’t recall a Russian aircraft breaching the sovereign limit..that would have been a very very big deal.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk/why-does-the-raf-intercept-aircraft-outside-sovereign-uk-airspace/

And above all hope the MIG-21 pilot is found OK..

BoreOfWhabylon · 02/03/2022 21:24

Whoever asked about these threads being in Chat, threads are no longer deleted after 30 days.

OvaHere · 02/03/2022 21:24

@workisnotawolf

Sorry I have a basic question - because all these threads are in Chat they will be automatically deleted after 30 days and they will never show up again because by posting in Chat none of us has consented implicitly to them being there later for reference? Isn’t that a shame in a way?
Could ask MNHQ to move completed threads to News or similar. Chat is better for current threads as more people will spot them. Requires a bit of extra work for the mods but shouldn't be difficult.

Depends I suppose if anyone objects to former threads staying archived on MN rather than disappearing.

1Week · 02/03/2022 21:25

notimagain why Scotland in particular, do you know?

OvaHere · 02/03/2022 21:25

@BoreOfWhabylon

Whoever asked about these threads being in Chat, threads are no longer deleted after 30 days.
Cross posted. That resolves that then. Grin
yoolia · 02/03/2022 21:25

My anxiety is sky rocketing at the moment. Have even had to start taking meds.

So is mine, and so have I!

But I try to remember the thing that most helped me when I was in therapy, and that was knowing that the level of anxiety I feel does not correlate to the actual level of danger I am in.

I am not someone who says the media loves to scaremonger and so on and so forth, but they do pull our scary looking soundbites to make a good headline. It was like that Fiona Hill interview that scared the living shit out of everyone. The headline was "Putin and nukes: yes he would" which sounded horrifying. The actual interview was significantly more nuanced than that.

MarshaBradyo · 02/03/2022 21:25

@yoolia

Re martial law, why would they need to do that for the rouble?

To counter civil unrest.

I wish everyone on this thread (and twitter) would stop leapfrogging onto nuclear war. It isn't good for anyone's anxiety levels, and although it is maybe more likely than it was last week, it still isn't a likely scenario.

I think the 24 hour news cycle has a lot to answer for as we are basically getting an update every time Putin blows his nose.

When I hear talk re WW3 it’s more a case of numbers involved - just listening to various people speaking

The nuclear war threat hasn’t been as strongly emphasised by same people.

BeyondPurpleTulips · 02/03/2022 21:26

IANAE but the wreckage of the MiG being in one burning piece would suggest to me that it crashed - blown up in midair it would be in smithereens

Igotjelly · 02/03/2022 21:26

@1Week

notimagain why Scotland in particular, do you know?
Because that’s where Trident is based.
BattenbergdowntheHatches · 02/03/2022 21:27

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DGRossetti · 02/03/2022 21:28

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shreddednips · 02/03/2022 21:28

@yoolia

Re martial law, why would they need to do that for the rouble?

To counter civil unrest.

I wish everyone on this thread (and twitter) would stop leapfrogging onto nuclear war. It isn't good for anyone's anxiety levels, and although it is maybe more likely than it was last week, it still isn't a likely scenario.

I think the 24 hour news cycle has a lot to answer for as we are basically getting an update every time Putin blows his nose.

Ditto. It's obviously more of a concern than it was just a short time ago, but it's been reported that there are absolutely no signs of any preparations on Russia's end to actually detonate anything. This is really ramping up anxiety and making a horrific situation even more frightening.
Igotjelly · 02/03/2022 21:28

Even the Daily Express aren’t trying to spin the MiG crashing as being an aggressive act by Russia and they love a bit of Armageddon!

1Week · 02/03/2022 21:28

Thanks Igotjelly - not in the UK myself

Ostryga · 02/03/2022 21:29

I just want him to open the stock market again. That would be incredibly uplifting for Ukrainian’s to see, that although we cannot put boots on the ground the world is behind them.

Interested to see how the ICC referrals pan out. My guess is it amounts to nothing, but heartening nonetheless in these dark times.

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Natsku · 02/03/2022 21:29

@notimagain

Just a comment about claims some posters have made at the tail end of the previous thread about Russian aircraft having entered UK airspace for years: terminology used is very important.

UK sovereign airspace ends 12 miles off shore and it is perfectly legitimate for Russian aircraft to operate just outside the sovereign limit.

FWIW I had a job of sorts at one time keeping an eye on this sort of thing and whilst it was fairly common to have Russian aircraft off the shores of the UK (especially off Scotland) I don’t recall a Russian aircraft breaching the sovereign limit..that would have been a very very big deal.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk/why-does-the-raf-intercept-aircraft-outside-sovereign-uk-airspace/

And above all hope the MIG-21 pilot is found OK..

They regularly invade the airspace in Finland, not sure about Sweden, and not in a legitimate way. Its just to keep us on our toes (or at least, has been so far) and I suspect this time its just a reminder that they still don't want Sweden joining NATO
TheCaddieisaBaddie · 02/03/2022 21:29

[quote BeyondPurpleTulips]Not verified, but I really hope this is true...

twitter.com/youranonnews/status/1499131249599950848?s=21[/quote]
🤣🤣

Tigersonvaseline · 02/03/2022 21:30

Nope I'm not buying that.

All sorts of things get thrown up and one thing that's been thrown into Sharp focus is biased/shadowy funding from corrupt sources...

That also I feel applies to Saudi money And all countries with poor human rights record's And no democracy.

Alexandra ,I wasn't talking about specific visa promotions but all politicians being vulnerable to corruption.

That's something I'd like to see going forward but I guess some people just want to target the party they don't likeConfused