Page 38 | The Invasion is ongoing...Part 6

Damnloginpopup · 2022-03-02T20:49:24+00:00

Things are ramping up. No end in site as yet. Link to thread 5 here: [[https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4494173-The-Invasion-is-ongoing-Part-5?pg=1]]

MarshaBradyo · 03/03/2022 19:29

It is head in the sand to think otherwise.

My goodness that phrase, I didn’t miss it ;

But surely we have an accepted definition. Are there any news reports or commentators saying this?

ClaudineClare · 03/03/2022 19:30

Oakleaffy I bet my house that this will not end in World War (although my house will probably not be there any more if WW3 does erupt...)

yoolia · 03/03/2022 19:30

Are there any news reports or commentators saying this?

No, because it would be a lie.

MarshaBradyo · 03/03/2022 19:31

@yoolia

Are there any news reports or commentators saying this?

No, because it would be a lie.

Agreed. I think the head in the stuff / denial is really unhelpful and best left on Covid boards where it was over used

GallopingHighRoad · 03/03/2022 19:31

@Billandben444

I've just watched the 6pm BBC news. They had a section on Berlin families welcoming refugees into their homes - they stood at railway stations with placards saying how large a family they could take and how delighted they were to accommodate them. Every single family on that train was 'taken home'. It made me cry.

It is a subtle point, but Germany is winning.

Given where it has come from, it's achievements are significant in so many ways. Economically it is a giant. Ordinary Russian's should be thinking "We could do that." The natural resources in Russia are massive, greater than China's. All squandered by a few greedy men.

One day I believe Russia will be integrated within the EU, in another generation or two. I also believe we will too.

katem98 · 03/03/2022 19:35

@NebbiaZanzare Thanks so much. You're totally right. I'm not actually much older than your son. I don't remember 9/11 but I couldn't even begin to imagine the heartbreak. If anything, this last week I've spent much more time 'in the moment' with my babies and definitely have soaked up every moment.

workisnotawolf · 03/03/2022 19:35

I did expect an invasion of Ukraine as soon as the troups started amassing at the border.

A few weeks ago V Putin was just a minor annoyance on the world stage. Now so many people worldwide are sh.. scared of him and his merry men and that must please him greatly. In addition, if everyone is scared and he believes he is negotiating for Ukrainian territory of course he is going to demand the lot. In a negotiation, you always ask for more, why wouldn’t you.
Putin is suddenly a lot more powerful than he was just 4 weeks. I do agree he will keep pushing, but I think it will be subversive.
However, I really think we need to get on top of our own economic war. I am worried about that. And genocide in Ukraine, I am very worried about that.

oakleaffy · 03/03/2022 19:36

@ClaudineClare

Oakleaffy I bet my house that this will not end in World War (although my house will probably not be there any more if WW3 does erupt...)

I hope you are right. WW1 and 2 kicked off with an assassination and an invasion- A spark that became an inferno in terms if lives lost and cities razed to the ground. Putin is mad. I don’t think he cares what he does, as long as he “ Wins”

yoolia · 03/03/2022 19:40

Agreed. I think the head in the stuff / denial is really unhelpful and best left on Covid boards where it was over used

If anyone starts saying hopium or copium again I'm out.

DrBlackbird · 03/03/2022 19:41

…be specific about what exactly you think is rubbish and why

Okay. I’m wondering why you’ve repeated the same post at least three times including several YouTube video links and recommending WION as an ‘award winning’ journalistic news source. This seems OTT and leads me to wonder why.

I also seriously question WION as a credible source for the following reasons. It’s owned by the Essel Group, a subsidiary of a Zee Media Corp, owned by Subhash Chandra Goenka who is an Indian billionaire media baron and Indian politician with links to BJP, under Modi who has shown himself to be a divisive and authoritarian ruler. Not to mention that India abstained on the UN vote and refused to condemn Russia’s invasion and war on Ukraine.

Media Fact Check rates WION as presenting both sides; however, a review of 50+ opinion pieces reveals slightly more favor the right, with some praising PM Modi and others promoting nationalism. Whilst, it’s news reporting is mostly factual, it does not produce original news content, but rather links to curated content and editorials lean slightly right.

All in all, it seems that there are more credible news sources to suggest.

MarshaBradyo · 03/03/2022 19:43

@yoolia

Agreed. I think the head in the stuff / denial is really unhelpful and best left on Covid boards where it was over used

If anyone starts saying hopium or copium again I'm out.

I didn’t hear copium but hopium was the last straw

And they were wrong.

Yeahthat · 03/03/2022 19:44

@MarshaBradyo

Yes absolutely, he may have declared war anyway.

But as we've seen, once conflict starts it is too late to prevent tragedy. I believe that we should think strategically in order to try to prevent conflicts occurring; recognising that when one state increases its security at the perceived expense of another, it's likely to lead to escalation, and maintaining buffer zones between nations which are historically opposed is just part of that.

We could do all of it, establish genuinely neutral supranational bodies with the power to enforce international laws and norms, achieve multilateral disarmament - and still have armed conflict.

But it must be better to try, rather than simply carry on as normal until the next conflict occurs.

Yeahthat · 03/03/2022 19:47

@yoolia

It is head in the sand to think otherwise.

OK but it isn't though, because it isn't WW3. I'm not saying it will not turn in to WW3, but it is factually completely incorrect to say "this is WW3 and anyone who says it isn't is in denial"

Yes agree.

It's interesting that there are conflicts all over the world - but when the people involved look like us, it means it's WW3.

workisnotawolf · 03/03/2022 19:48

A world war is "a war engaged in by all or most of the principal nations of the world".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_war

Is Wikipedia a reliable source? :)

We are not there by this definition. I am sure there are tons of academic papers on the meaning of “world war”

Logburning · 03/03/2022 19:55

I am definitely coming off Twitter and sticking with this. The amount of people on there calling for world war three is astonishing, when looking at their bios they are mostly American.
I just can’t believe it.
One tweet said “I’d rather die by nuclear war knowing we tried to save them, than stand by and watch like cowards”.

Sorry but I think this train of thought is totally unhinged.

Lots of people also saying world war three has already started…I don’t understand how? When it’s only two countries currently…no one else is involved, how is that a world war?

DrBlackbird · 03/03/2022 19:55

Genuinely wondering who is the "we" you’re referring to Yeahthat?

ClaudineClare · 03/03/2022 19:57

oakleaffy 80+ years ago the world and warfare were very different. There have been countless invasions since the end of WW2, but we have not seen another world war.

Alexandra2001 · 03/03/2022 19:58

It's interesting that there are conflicts all over the world - but when the people involved look like us, it means it's WW3

Probably because this one is super power against super power, on our doorstep... nothing to do with "they look like us" thats just stupid.

Be the same if China invaded Taiwan or do they "look like us too?"

We are standing aside as Putin brings in his heavy guns and destroys cities.
How many in Kyiv will leave if there is a humanitarian corridor?

Shameful, all Putin has to do is raise the spectre of Nuclear war and we all run away, might as well unilaterally disarm.

Yeahthat · 03/03/2022 19:58

@DrBlackbird

You'd need to tell me which specific comment you're referring to. If it's the one I think, then the "we" would be the international community.

Tigersonvaseline · 03/03/2022 20:01

Please don't jump on me but we don't know if the nuclear thing work because we haven't tried it...

We've not played hard Ball ( not saying we should)... but he's playing hard Ball and winning.

DrBlackbird · 03/03/2022 20:02

[quote Yeahthat]@DrBlackbird

You'd need to tell me which specific comment you're referring to. If it's the one I think, then the "we" would be the international community.[/quote]
Yes that’s what I was referring to, but who in the international community? Do you mean something like a people’s assembly? Or more government run?

Peregrina · 03/03/2022 20:02

when looking at their bios they are mostly American. I just can’t believe it. One tweet said “I’d rather die by nuclear war knowing we tried to save them, than stand by and watch like cowards”.

I think that some, or even a lot, of American religious fundamentalists are quite sure that they are going to be saved and therefore think 'Bring on the end of the world'.

Lonelycrab · 03/03/2022 20:03

and maintaining buffer zones between nations which are historically opposed is just part of that. We could do all of it

Not being nasty or trying to have a dig but that bears no relation to where we are now, many countries in this category have now sought Eu or NATO membership because of what is unfolding. As an old hippie I agree with you though, but we are long past that point now.

What if the people of these nations don’t want to be a “buffer zone”

MarshaBradyo · 03/03/2022 20:05

@Lonelycrab

and maintaining buffer zones between nations which are historically opposed is just part of that. We could do all of it

Not being nasty or trying to have a dig but that bears no relation to where we are now, many countries in this category have now sought Eu or NATO membership because of what is unfolding. As an old hippie I agree with you though, but we are long past that point now.

What if the people of these nations don’t want to be a “buffer zone”

Yes it’s a bit there’s an aggressor next door and he’s likely to attack, but no chance of safety as you need to be the buffer.

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 03/03/2022 20:12

@Peregrina

when looking at their bios they are mostly American. I just can’t believe it. One tweet said “I’d rather die by nuclear war knowing we tried to save them, than stand by and watch like cowards”.

I think that some, or even a lot, of American religious fundamentalists are quite sure that they are going to be saved and therefore think 'Bring on the end of the world'.

Yes, cheering for the Rapture.