What would a non binary teacher be addressed as?

[GemGEmGemster]

dd’s school expects all teachers to be addressed as ‘sir’ or ‘miss’. She’s just asked me what a non binary teacher would be called. Any ideas?

DH and I discussed this once, came to the conclusion that they’re probably just teacher or something. ‘Teacher can you help with this’. Can’t see how else it would work. Find the whole non binary thing baffling anyway.

So on a feeling like a girl day, male non binaries would like unfettered access to the girls / women's toilets.

Well that's a red flag isn't it.

My guess is if they are NB you will certainly be told how to address them.....over......and over......and over........and over. You won't get it wrong and you'll never be able/allowed to forget their specialness.

At our local secondary teachers are called by their first name so that would get around this issue nicely,

HR must have a nightmare with payroll, working out how to pay them less on the days they feel like women.

Teacher.

@EishetChayil

Right now I feel male. At other times I feel female.

What does this even mean? How can you like something you're not?

There is literally nothing more to being female than having XX chromosomes, and primary and secondary female reproductive organs. You can't feel like you have a penis when you have a vagina.

It's delusional.

I'll assume you just used that as an example. I don't think I've told you what genitals I have. I'd rather identify as genderfluid than have a breakdown, thanks. How I feel has nothing to do with genitals.

I'm 99.9 percent certain you're female.

Do I get a shiny medal?

Be lovely if you could explain what it means to feel male some days and female on others. After all, no one ever answers. You can't really expect people to validate this identity when NB people simply won't explain what it is they are asking us to validate.

Everyone who doesn’t ascribe to gender ideology is technically gender fluid.

OK, so why does that seem to be a problem for so many people on this thread? I agree with this.

It's not a problem. But if someone says they identify as male some days and female other days, I'd like to know what it means. I can't picture it. So if someone is saying that about themselves, then why can't they say how they know. No one ever can answer it though.

Unless it's simply doing stuff that may have once considered to be traditionally male, or traditionally female. Gender stereotypes if you like. I mean, I do all of those things, but I don't ascribe a male or female identity to it. It's just ..life. And why the need for a gender neutral pronoun? Whats the purpose? Particularly as it's pretty obvious what sex people are the vast majority of the time.

@Whatwouldscullydo

And in the case of non binary like the op , you still need to be able to define the binary in order to define yourself against it.

There's even less of an answer as to what feelings a non binary person has that cant be attributed to the male or female identities.

As for gender fluid. I think we would all like to know at what point a feeling stops being the female you were claiming to feel at that moment and starts being the male.

What's the cut off.

If non consenting strangers are to be a part of validating someone's identity the very least anyone can do is tell us what we are actually validating.

Hell, just use any pronouns and I'm happy. Also, preferably call me by my first name.

But identifying as gender fluid doesn't change anything surely?

You are the same male or female person doing something whenever you do it.

So when you mow.the lawn In " male mode" how's it any different to mowing the lawn in " female mode"

You are still a person of your sex mowing the lawn..surely it makes zero difference . We would honestly like to know what these identities are

Because gender is a load of feckin' shite.

Don't want to educate people and explain why the male some days and the female other days thing then.

Absolutely your choice. Of course.

But seeing as no one wants to explain it, then they can't expect extra special validation either.

Two way street innit.

@Whatwouldscullydo

There's also no point in saying it's individual to the person.

1000 strangers can all feel the same thing at the same time.. happy. Sad. Scared etc that's more than possible.

So if thousands if people are all feeling the same thing " ie non binary " then there must be a criteria? Even with an infinite number if combinations of feelings there's still feelings in that combination. What are they? And how do they differ from someone who's a man or woman and feels that exact same feeling but still are a man or a woman.

If there was an actual answer that defined terms and could accurately be described and proven in some way, then all these posters labled disrespectful would know exactly what they were disrespecting.

Right now we are supoosed to validate something no one can even tell us what it is. When we have as much responsibility to do that as we do to pay for your shopping

Jeez, just use someone's preferred pronouns and call them what they want to be called. It's just polite.

Hell, just use any pronouns and I'm happy. Also, preferably call me by my first name

This is what we mean when we say there are never any answers.

But you do not own my speech . If you aren't around you don't get to say what I call you. Much like if you are sitting at the screen right now I can't stop you nor do I have a say In.you calling me all the names under the sun.

I'm wondering if it's a load of guff, or the feeling is just like anyone else, (basically a personality) or that people saying they are NB just don't have the language skills and ability to articulate this feeling and how it presents itself.

@Whatwouldscullydo

But you do not own my speech . If you aren't around you don't get to say what I call you. Much like if you are sitting at the screen right now I can't stop you nor do I have a say In.you calling me all the names under the sun.

Indeed. And if they can't even explain what it is, then they sure as hell don't get to lecture our kids with their demands.

It isn't polite to tell lies and delude others.

@Rheopecticfluid

So on a feeling like a girl day, male non binaries would like unfettered access to the girls / women's toilets.

Well that's a red flag isn't it.

Uh, no. I go in the toilets appropriate to my sex. Sex and gender are 2 entirely different things.

OMG. Just catching up with this one. From that this

Div as in Dive Jones

Div from individual.

No, it really, really isn't!??

Anyone calling me Div will get a thick ear!

So why cant you do what you do as your sex anyway? I mean the only one who cares ir thinks about jour identity is yourself. No one else even gives it any though so they see a man ir women our shopping and they see a man or woman out shopping. It's nothing. To anyone .so it just seems like you are boxing yourself in for reasons that re never defined

Uh, no. I go in the toilets appropriate to my sex. Sex and gender are 2 entirely different things.

Yes indeed they are. Yet some NB people want access to both spaces. They may not be seeing it like you are right?

On a general note I do feel quite bad fir people who seem to need the lable so badly. It must feel pretty bad that once out side the friend and family bubble no one else really takes any notice.

I don't blame anyone who's been told that this is the lable fir how they feel.

I blame the trainers etc who have encouraged this and allowed it to get so far whilst having no answers to perfectly logical questions.

I can imagine when people ask.amd someone is unable to answer because there is no answer it must be quite distressing.

Anyway thanks for responding demons you are one of the rare few prepared to Tey so thanks. Sorry if I have upset u in any way