What would a non binary teacher be addressed as?

[GemGEmGemster]

dd’s school expects all teachers to be addressed as ‘sir’ or ‘miss’. She’s just asked me what a non binary teacher would be called. Any ideas?

@EishetChayil

Right now I feel male. At other times I feel female.

What does this even mean? How can you like something you're not?

There is literally nothing more to being female than having XX chromosomes, and primary and secondary female reproductive organs. You can't feel like you have a penis when you have a vagina.

It's delusional.

Just because you don't understand or relate to something, doesn't mean it's not a thing.

Instead of telling someone what their experience is, and what they can or can't feel, just listen.

@Whatwouldscullydo

Children have always been taught to address teachers respectfully and hence in a way that does not cause offence

Thej don't use children as props to validate your identity. They are there to learn.

Well I think learning to respect someone those who may not conform to gender/ societal norms, for whatever reason, would be an excellent lesson. One that has passed by many people on this thread.

Why dies respect have to equal playing along.

They are under no obligation to believe it or be a part of it.

They just meed to sit down be quiet and do their work.

And not confirming to gender /societal norms would be being a man/male woman/male and doing what the heck u like as a man or a woman regardless of what people thought .

Its not creating a box where uts the only way you can reject stereotypes.

Its the compete opposite of gender non conformity

Instead of telling someone what their experience is, and what they can or can't feel, just listen.

I've listened. Believe me, I've listened. But it is still IMPOSSIBLE to feel like something you're not. I have questioned my gender since childhood. However, this doesn't change the fact that I am female and will never know how it feels to be male.

Yes we have asked and listened repeatedly fir what these male and female feelings and identities are.

We know all about what they arent

But there has yet to be a coherent non circular definition of what these feelings actually are.

What is a male feeling. How does one know they have them.

Instead of telling someone what their experience is, and what they can or can't feel, just listen.

It's not a case of telling people what their experience is, or their feelings.
People can believe what they want. Don't expect me and my kids to be validating that though. Teachers are there to teach the kids. Thats it. Kids aren't a validation prop for teachers.

just listen

I'm listening.

So tell me, what does it feel like to be a man? Or Woman?

The way I see it, if you're female but feel like a bloke because you prefer wearing trousers and having short hair, then you're a woman who prefers stereotypically male stuff. You're not a man.

If you're a female who feels as if you should have been born with XY chromosomes and a penis, you have dysphoria about your sexed body. Still not a man.

And in the case of non binary like the op , you still need to be able to define the binary in order to define yourself against it.

There's even less of an answer as to what feelings a non binary person has that cant be attributed to the male or female identities.

As for gender fluid. I think we would all like to know at what point a feeling stops being the female you were claiming to feel at that moment and starts being the male.

What's the cut off.

If non consenting strangers are to be a part of validating someone's identity the very least anyone can do is tell us what we are actually validating.

@EishetChayil

The way I see it, if you're female but feel like a bloke because you prefer wearing trousers and having short hair, then you're a woman who prefers stereotypically male stuff. You're not a man.

If you're a female who feels as if you should have been born with XY chromosomes and a penis, you have dysphoria about your sexed body. Still not a man.

This. Please don't pressurise children to collude in the lie that you can magically change sex whenever you feel like it.

There's also no point in saying it's individual to the person.

1000 strangers can all feel the same thing at the same time.. happy. Sad. Scared etc that's more than possible.

So if thousands if people are all feeling the same thing " ie non binary " then there must be a criteria? Even with an infinite number if combinations of feelings there's still feelings in that combination. What are they? And how do they differ from someone who's a man or woman and feels that exact same feeling but still are a man or a woman.

If there was an actual answer that defined terms and could accurately be described and proven in some way, then all these posters labled disrespectful would know exactly what they were disrespecting.

Right now we are supoosed to validate something no one can even tell us what it is. When we have as much responsibility to do that as we do to pay for your shopping

Someone who insists on imposing their ridiculous pronouns on others isn’t fit to be a teacher.
It’s arrogant and narcissistic in the extreme.
You are there to Teach, not to impose an agenda.

If your identity is so fragile that it depends on the compliance of others, you need to have a long hard think.

If non consenting strangers are to be a part of validating someone's identity the very least anyone can do is tell us what we are actually validating.

Well yes. An opportunity to consider what it is I am being requested to do would be helpful. But no-one will ever explain what nb is. Apart from some days I feel like a male, some days I feel like a female. What does that mean?

Well given NB is neither male or female, expecting people to listen to things where their own terms and explanations are contradictory to the extreme is all a bit much.

How can there simultaneously be over 100 gender identities yet non binary indicates two whilst creating a third 🤔

Befire we get to schrodingers identity. Where the binary doesn't exist within the human race until you need to define yourself against it

Its gender fluid I think that's male and sometimes female amd sometimes both or none. But of course there are no definitions for either male female both or none identity

Well I think learning to respect someone those who may not conform to gender/ societal norms, for whatever reason, would be an excellent lesson. One that has passed by many people on this thread.

Cherry picking from posts to remove context is disingenuous. I'm quite clear we should teach children to be tolerant and accepting. I am horrified that the burden of protecting adults feelings is being felt by children; evidenced by the OP's child asking about a hypothetical situation. If you are an adult working with children and prefer a term of address the children may not have encountered before then the burden is on you to explain that to children without making them feel like bigots.

@KittenKong

Mixxxx? This is getting silly. ‘They’ should focus on the children and treat Miss or Sir as sex based.

So if you had two teachers called Mx Smith and one was ,say , considerably larger than the other, would it be wrong to call the smaller one Little Mx?

I will get my coat, I have stuff to do anyway.

If they are non-binary which toilets do they use, male or female

@MrBlobbyLivesNextDoor

Is that the same thing as not conforming to sex stereotypes? Or do you think you're not a woman/man? Or that you're both a woman and a man?

Maybe a man one day, fluidly moving towards womanhood the following day. And then back again. Like Pip Bunce.

But how do you know? Do you wake up and think, "today I am a woman. Here I am brushing my teeth in an entirly womanly way, and, oo, look at me putting on my socks and feeding the cat like an absolute woman' but the next day you feel manly so you brush your teeth/put your socks on/feed the cat in a manly way?

Do you stand up or sit down to pee depending on your feelz? Or look at your pay packet, or weigh up your chances of getting home in the dark without being attacked to inform you gender?

I am truly intruiged!

I think it's all of those things and more. So for example, on a man day I might speak in a gruff voice and fart a lot. And leave wet towels on the bed. And on a woman day I might giggle a lot, and speak in a high tinkly voice. I'd cook dinner, clean the house and I wouldn't be strong enough to lift anything very heavy. It's so difficult to plan ahead, as there's no warning, and I wouldn't know what I'm going to be capable of from one day to the next.

@MrBlobbyLivesNextDoor

I think it's all of those things and more. So for example, on a man day I might speak in a gruff voice and fart a lot. And leave wet towels on the bed. And on a woman day I might giggle a lot, and speak in a high tinkly voice. I'd cook dinner, clean the house and I wouldn't be strong enough to lift anything very heavy. It's so difficult to plan ahead, as there's no warning, and I wouldn't know what I'm going to be capable of from one day to the next.

@MagpiePi

But how do you know? Do you wake up and think, "today I am a woman. Here I am brushing my teeth in an entirly womanly way, and, oo, look at me putting on my socks and feeding the cat like an absolute woman' but the next day you feel manly so you brush your teeth/put your socks on/feed the cat in a manly way?

Do you stand up or sit down to pee depending on your feelz? Or look at your pay packet, or weigh up your chances of getting home in the dark without being attacked to inform you gender?

I am truly intruiged!

Ha ha, Me too Magpie. Non-binary my arse

So if you had two teachers called Mx Smith and one was ,say , considerably larger than the other, would it be wrong to call the smaller one Little Mx?

Or it might be ok to call one Mx and one Max?

If they are non-binary which toilets do they use, male or female

Interesting question. This is a story from the US. The teacher concerned originally identified as NB (details halfway down the article) but has subsequently declared themselves as a transwoman.

www.womenarehuman.com/male-teacher-now-transgender-demands-access-to-washroom-for-elementary-school-girls/